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With the upcoming release of The Amazing Spider-Man on DVD, and news of the sequel due out in 2014, let's take a look back at what might be the plot of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (or at least its sequel.)

Our story begins after the last one. Peter is pretty sick but still finds time to check in on Harry Osborn.

In a story where a major supporting character dies, we actually open on another supporting character in danger.

The stress of his son's deteriorating health and his business failings leads Norman to snap and he decides to take all his frustrations out on Spider-Man. But Spidey ain't home. Pete returns to find Gwen's bag left behind with a calling card from the Green Goblin. And during the fight that follows, Gwen gets knocked off the bridge.

Part 2 also gives us this page, the real end to the Peter/Gwen relationship. (Well, a continuation that just cements the end since Gwen was already dead. This is Peter saying goodbye.)

(People are gonna lose their minds if the movies pull this moment off effectively.)

So after some detective work, Spidey tracks the Goblin down and they fight. Norman makes a comment about how Gwen was just some "simpering, pointless girl" who was nothing more than "occupied space" and Spidey just loses it.

And Norman Osborn didn't plague Peter Parker again for a very long time after that.

But Norman's defeat brought no joy to Peter Parker. He was truly alone.

There's so much you could say about this last page with Mary Jane. But I won't because I think it says all that it needs to by itself.

Date: 2012-09-12 03:43 am (UTC)
katya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katya
Green Goblin killed the woman he loved!!!

But... didn't Spidey effectively kill her himself? I mean, note the little "snap" sound effect when he webs her. Is that meant to be him snapping her neck? Because that is what makes sense to me in this scenario.

Date: 2012-09-12 03:55 am (UTC)
katya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katya
Yeah, she definitely would have died either way. I'd have assumed the force of the webbing suddenly halting her fall would snap her neck even without the "snap" in there probably, but the word being there is a bit sinister.

Date: 2012-09-12 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] vitruvian23
If people die just from falling in the MU, wouldn't that make skydiving impossible?

Date: 2012-09-15 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] horselover107
I think the best analogy I've ever heard for it was it's kind of like pushing someone in front of a moving car. The driver does play a role, but it's not their fault, it's the vault the the person that did the pushing.

Date: 2012-09-12 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I interpreted it as the Goblin killed her by pushing her off the bridge, and Spider-Man failed to save her. It certainly wasn't his intention to kill her.

Date: 2012-09-12 03:57 am (UTC)
katya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] katya
It certainly wasn't his intention, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. It's a matter of perspective I guess. Yeah, Goblin pushed her off the bridge, but you don't know for sure she's dead until the sudden halt of Spiderman's "save" snaps her neck.

Date: 2012-09-12 07:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Apparently, like the Goblin said on the page, in 616-verse it's the fall itself that kills you, not hitting the ground.

Bungee jumping must not be that popular there.

Date: 2012-09-12 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] vitruvian23
Except we've seen characters parachuting. If this were true, all of those characters would be dead before they pulled the ripcord.

Date: 2012-09-12 04:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seisachtheia
I didn't realize the first spider-man movie's goblin death was such a direct homage to the comics. Nifty.

I really have been wondering if the reboot is going to go with the comics canon and kill Gwen off. Because on the one hand, that'd definitely be a wham moment, but on the other... I just can't see them actually doing it. Especially as it would make their first movie retrospectively end on one hell of a downer.

Date: 2012-09-12 05:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I remember a whole series on Gwen Stacy here a while back, and I seem to recall there being something to that bit where Peter tells the cops that "Spider-man killed Gwen Stacy."

Was there any actual fallout from that, or was it just that it seems like there should have been?

Date: 2012-09-12 06:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
I fully expect ASM2 to end with the death of Gwen Stacy and Osborn/Goblin getting away so they can run a full movie with depressed, end of the rope Spidey chasing the Goblin and try to end the trilogy with some overwrought story about forgiving one's self.

Date: 2012-09-12 06:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lalalei2001
The only thing that kinda bugs me about this story is that Peter repeatedly refers to Gwen as "my woman" or "my lady", even in death. it just bugs me. :\

Date: 2012-09-12 07:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot

Date: 2012-09-12 03:02 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
psst pssst.... wrong universe....

but very pretty... OH! Cliff Chiag!!!!!

Date: 2012-09-12 03:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Technically she's cameoed a couple of times, but yeah, I know that she's from the wrong universe. :p

Date: 2012-09-12 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I don't think it's the intention, but this makes me laugh. I think it's because Spidey is all small and shaking his fist indignantly, he just looks so silly.

Date: 2012-09-12 10:30 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
A classic scene if there is!
Back when I was younger I probably read it once in an old French "STRANGE" comic compilation, in a smaller "digest" Portuguese reprint, in a better 90s Spider-man classic collection in French and finally later in an US TPB reprint at the back of some storyarc.

Date: 2012-09-12 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
There's so much you could say about this last page with Mary Jane. But I won't because I think it says all that it needs to by itself.

Motto sir... Motto....

Date: 2012-09-12 10:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Truly a classic. I really hope they go through with this in the new movies, as much as I dislike the grim-n-gritty tone of them, this would be an absolutely kickass way to set up the final confrontation. Of course the current trend is to use the (painfully boring IMHO) Ultimate version of the Green Goblin, who's just a green dude, and I don't think this confrontation would work quite as well with that version of the character.
Also, curious; Does this count as Women in Refrigerators? What is it about this story that makes its (possible) use of the unpleasant trope palatable?

Date: 2012-09-13 05:15 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
A great story that honestly still tugs at me..even if Sins Past makes me look at it a bit different...dammit Marvel. >_

Date: 2012-09-13 09:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] riddler13
You know, I really love S_D, but I think sometimes most of us here take the classics for granted, and they are seldom featured in our posts. So it's very nice to see them here, if only for newer comic book readers to have some contact with them and begin to understand why they were important.

I'll try to rectify this with more DKR, DD: Born Again and Watchmen. When? Lord only knows! :)

Date: 2012-09-15 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] horselover107
Yeah I'm taking a comics/graphic novels class right now and we're reading some amazing older works. If I can figure out the art of scanning in comics I may just have to post some of the stuff we've read so far (The Best of The Spirit, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Maus-Watchmen is on the list for later in the semester).

Date: 2012-09-15 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] horselover107
I really do love this story, so much of it hits just the right emotional chord and unlike other characters, specifically female characters, to meet her fate Gwen if gone but NOT forgotten by the people that love her. And I've been waiting for a proper adaptation of it for ages (no stupid "shadow releams"), so I really want to see them do it in the next film (and yes I can see them doing it, the tone of the first had just the right amount of dark).


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