"Also it seems like Vyndtyx was responsible for Jonathan and Martha Kent death."
At least Martha's--we've seen how Jonathan dies in Action #6.
But yeah, this was an INSANELY good issue. Just when I thought that maybe Morrison was going to leave with a ho-hum ending, he drops the goddamn gauntlet. Superman vs. an interdimensional imp and his Anti-Superman Army, fighting him at every single point in his life. Shit's gonna be good! :D
Well, only 230 of 333 worlds "died instantly." When Supes and Jor-El busted the Multispear, that may have saved the remaining worlds, or at least given them a chance to fight off the Multitude themselves.
So Vartox may live! And he's riding on Super-Turtle. Or possibly vice versa.
Kind of the opposite, actually. Moore is all "Do you think a 5D sorcerer would actually look like a silly little man with a derby hat?" and Morrison is all "Fuck yes they would."
Oh, definitely. Both authors like to play up the inhuman, mind-blowingly complex nature of 5D beings. But for Morrison their childlike, storybook behavior is an essential part of that nature, while for Moore, it's just a mask that Mxy puts on to mess with people occasionally.
I think Morrison's 5Ders make very convincing deities--much more than his New Gods. Final Crisis and Seven Soldiers were fun, but it's hard to make the New Gods seem like anything more than alien superdudes in the end (even if some of them are extremely super.) Kirby creations are too intrinsically sci-fi for that. But the 5D beings are the sort of critters that you might actually find in a real-world religion or myth cycle.
See, I'm kind of the opposite. I find especially Morrison's New Gods to be far more convincing as truly epic dieties than what we saw in this issue, which basically looked like suped-up elves from a fantasy novel. But hey, you say to-MAY-to, I say to-MAH-to...
I agree that the New Gods are more epic...I guess I just think of them as legendary heroes rather than mythic beings or deities you might have a reason to interact with. They're too punchable, and (except for Darkseid and maybe the Black Racer) they have too little interest in the mortal world as a whole. Whereas 5D beings are almost unbeatable physically but can be influenced through ritual, their motivations are surprisingly mundane and human even though they act on a cosmic scale, and several of them like to come down and mess with mortals all over the universe. That sounds more like a traditional god or djinn or fairy to me.
But yeah, that's just my feeling on it, not The Truth!
Incidentally, I really like that Vyndktvx attacked the wrong person because of a misleading shadow. A higher-dimensional being, fooled by a 2-dimensional image--a good reminder of his vulnerability.
Note the "Chromo-Conflict 2" throwaway there. Looks like Morrison wants to keep the War of Colors in continuity, which implies that the Thunderbolt genie is still from the 5th Dimension.
It happened in Crisis Times Five, a 1999 arc of Morrison's JLA. The Thunderbolt genie was established as a living "color" from the 5th dimension, and was attacked by a rival--since they were both virtually omnipotent, the battle threatened the universe. That arc established Qwsp as a 5D being, marked the first Post-Crisis appearance of Gsptlsnz, and introduced Jakeem Thunder.
It was actually one of his more straightforward stories--I've seen reviewers complaining about it being "by the numbers." All those wacky, cartoony yet insanely powerful characters were already part of the DCU; Morrison simplified things quite nicely by sticking them all in the 5th Dimension, IMO.
The main point of the arc was to showcase the Justice Society, which hadn't gotten much love from DC Editorial up to that point.
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Date: 2012-12-05 07:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-12-05 07:32 pm (UTC)At least Martha's--we've seen how Jonathan dies in Action #6.
But yeah, this was an INSANELY good issue. Just when I thought that maybe Morrison was going to leave with a ho-hum ending, he drops the goddamn gauntlet. Superman vs. an interdimensional imp and his Anti-Superman Army, fighting him at every single point in his life. Shit's gonna be good! :D
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Date: 2012-12-06 10:12 pm (UTC)So Vartox may live! And he's riding on Super-Turtle. Or possibly vice versa.
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Date: 2012-12-05 08:07 pm (UTC)*cough cough choke* PARDON ME?
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Date: 2012-12-05 08:17 pm (UTC)What's ironic is that we get some similar word play in Deadpool this week.
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Date: 2012-12-05 10:37 pm (UTC)Oh, Morrison. OK, a Grant Morrison style. It sort of fits now.
Still, weird.
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Date: 2012-12-06 09:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-12-06 10:04 pm (UTC)I think Morrison's 5Ders make very convincing deities--much more than his New Gods. Final Crisis and Seven Soldiers were fun, but it's hard to make the New Gods seem like anything more than alien superdudes in the end (even if some of them are extremely super.) Kirby creations are too intrinsically sci-fi for that. But the 5D beings are the sort of critters that you might actually find in a real-world religion or myth cycle.
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Date: 2012-12-06 10:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-12-07 02:02 am (UTC)But yeah, that's just my feeling on it, not The Truth!
Incidentally, I really like that Vyndktvx attacked the wrong person because of a misleading shadow. A higher-dimensional being, fooled by a 2-dimensional image--a good reminder of his vulnerability.
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Date: 2012-12-06 05:08 am (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_%28DC_Comics%29#.22Crisis_Times_Five.22
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Date: 2012-12-06 09:42 pm (UTC)The main point of the arc was to showcase the Justice Society, which hadn't gotten much love from DC Editorial up to that point.