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Hate to post again so soon, but Stern's Avengers run is such a treasure-trove of great moments!
Here's Spider-Man trying to get into the Avengers. First some leisure time at the mansion:




And in another thread I was saying Spider-Man would never join the Avengers for the money, but:

And then he sees the Quinjet leave, shoots a web and has an adventure with the Avengers, because things happened in comics back then!
Here's Spider-Man trying to get into the Avengers. First some leisure time at the mansion:




And in another thread I was saying Spider-Man would never join the Avengers for the money, but:

And then he sees the Quinjet leave, shoots a web and has an adventure with the Avengers, because things happened in comics back then!
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Date: 2012-12-21 11:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-12-22 12:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-12-22 12:21 am (UTC)I don't know why that would surprise anyone, since one of the first things he did as Spider-Man was try to join the Fantastic Four for the money. He did get better at evading security in the interim, though.
That was around the first time that he was asked to join The Avengers. It didn't work out then, either.
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Date: 2012-12-22 05:41 pm (UTC)Told you it was weird.
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Date: 2012-12-22 04:36 am (UTC)I enjoy seeing Spidey strapped for cash too, admittedly it can lead to a lot of cheesy moments where Peter has to pawn his microscope to pay for Aunt May's medicine and insipid stuff like that, but it also highlighted how selfless he had to be to do what he was doing. Yeah, he'd love to be on the Avengers and get paid to be Spider-Man, but he'd do it even without the money, even at the expense of his personal life, because he's good guy.
Other things I like about these pages:
Heroes meet and team up without fighting pointlessly.
Jeez, look at how much dialogue they get into these pages. It might be a bit clunky, but it really moves the story along instead of wasting half the issue on clipped dialogue and beat panels as padding, with them only actually going off to do hero stuff at the end of the issue.
I love Jarvis' face their. Dude just looks so uncomfortable serving this ridiculously hot, naked, green woman.
That six member limit is hella arbitrary, and pretty laughable in retrospect.
And finally, in what may sound petty and odd, I really like the way Spider-Man eyes are drawn here. A lot of artists these days drawn them as really huge and expressive (for example, Bagley's Ultimate Spider-Man) but I much prefer them like this. The smaller eyes help to make Spidey look a lot more mature and I like that them being non-expressive makes it hard to see what he's thinking, which is just a little bit creepy to other people. It provides at least a bit of explanation for which people found Spidey so unnerving and untrustworthy back in the day.
Agree 100%
Date: 2012-12-22 12:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-12-22 07:52 pm (UTC)I don't find it clunky at all. The art is clear and the speech balloons are ordered in a way that tells the eyes where to look next.
The main difference I see between this art and today's is the type of shot. To borrow from cinema, old comics were drawn with medium and long shots; nowadays artists use close-up shots a lot. Watchmen was mainly drawn in long shots, which is why each panel contained so much. No one needs to see a head shot of Cap all the time, occupying one fifth of the page, it's just ridiculous.
Another difference is the backgrounds. Comics then only painted backgrounds when it was needed; the ones in these pages aren't very detailed because, well, who cares what the Avengers Mansion's living room looks like? But every comic book nowadays is obsessed with a wide, heavily-detailed, painstakingly-rendered shot of backgrounds, and that of course takes space. It doesn't add shit to the story, of course, but try and tell these prima-donnas they're here to draw comics and not posters.
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Date: 2012-12-22 08:55 pm (UTC)I never noticed about the backgrounds though, I have seen that older comics use far less closeups and generally drew things in a different way, but somehow the lack of backgrounds never really jumped out at me. I guess that just goes to show how little I actually care about the painstakingly levels of detail we see today.
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Date: 2012-12-22 11:25 pm (UTC)It's more that a single issue will net them less than $5k from a publisher... and more like around $3k for a lot of people. After putting in maybe 400 hours of skilled work. That's roughly speaking, minimum wage.
And then art collectors will frequently pay $10k-$100k for the 22 pages of original art from a name artist. But only if the backgrounds are detailed.
The main reason many artists work for publishers at all is to give their work more resale value. The wages are not high enough to make storytelling the big priority for people who are an established name. So they cut corners, focus on storytelling for the love (in spite of it cutting into their income), or wind up tailoring their work for the resale market, since that's what pays for Little Suzie's college education.
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Date: 2012-12-22 05:06 am (UTC)I mean he breaks in, makes himself a hammock, and generally acts like a smug jackass.
Was there something up with Spidey in this story? Cause he seems to be acting a little out character here.
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Date: 2012-12-22 06:39 am (UTC)And yeah, he's in full cocksure Spider-Mockery mode, which might be great for infuriating the Rhino when you're trying to stop a bank robbery, but it's definitely terrible for introducing yourself to someone. I'd chalk his acting that way up to him being nervous about approaching the Avengers for membership, since his jokes have been acknowledged as a defense mechanism.
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Date: 2012-12-22 06:48 am (UTC)*Pym-bots not included, that's quality control.
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Date: 2012-12-22 06:34 pm (UTC)Also, Al Milgrom! One of the Marvel workhorses back in the day,