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While not all comics are perfect, I personally prefer DC over Marvel. One of the reasons why i like DC more than Marvel is because the civilians are more like able in the DC Universe. Here's an example: In the else world comic "JLA: The Nail", superheroes are feared and hated due to xenophobia towards aliens. And so because Superman wasn't adopted by the Kents, superheroes were treated just like the x-men. Here are some scans which shows why i like about the DC Universe and how heartwarming there are.

After seeing Hawkman's statue vandalised, she gave up helping humanity.

Hawkgirl was just heading by Thanagar until...

That's right she chose to save those kids from the fire, instead of leaving them. But what really made this scene that much heartwarming was when the police tried to arrest her, not only did the parents of the children stood up for her so did the neighborhood.

This is why i like this comic. Even when civilians distrust meta humans and costumed vigilantes in the DC Universe, civilians can be GRATEFUL towards them when they choose to save lives and act like heroes. Why can't people behave like that more in the Marvel Universe?

This is what i love about superhero comics in general. Heroes acting like heroes and civilians thanking them for their actions. If this was a X-men comic, the parents and everyone else would throw rocks at them despite saving those kids. Sure not every human hates mutants, but still.

Oh and here's another heartwarming moment featuring Hawkgirl. In the Unlimited episode, Wake the Dead, after Hawkgirl had defeated Grundy, some crowd call her a traitor due to her helping the Thanagarians enslave the earth. John starts to shout them down, but Hawkgirl says she deserves their abuse. As she walks off, she was thanked by the mother and daughter from the bridge, whom was saved by Hawkgirl earlier.

Date: 2013-01-04 05:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
while this is nice and all, this MUST be behind a cut.

here is the code for the cut

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*remove brackets and no spaces between the arrows
Edited (adding cuts) Date: 2013-01-04 06:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-05 01:07 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Dreamwidth doesn't need the "lj-" bit, just the cut and /cut

Date: 2013-01-04 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] korvar
Also, Alan Davis <3

Mod Note

Date: 2013-01-04 07:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Whilst this is lovely to look at, please put it under a cut.


Date: 2013-01-04 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hybrid2
Is the trade of this wort it?
I heard bad things about The Nail 2.

DC had great books like this.IMO showing how the rest of the world work.
I have the Chase,Manhunter and Checkmate tpb.

Date: 2013-01-04 09:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
Oh man, The Nail. I liked the story and the art was lovely, though I was a bit disappointed by the lack of different costumes. (One of my favorite things about AUs is different costumes.)

Also, dude, use a cut. There's instructions here:

Date: 2013-01-04 10:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] urkonn
I'm pretty sure this kind of thing happens in Marvel too. I'm not a big reader of 616 X-men but I can point to Ultimate X-Men 32where the humans cheer on the X-Men (sure it was after they saved them from a nuclear explosion but still.
Ultimate Spiderman definatly was feared by lots of people and cops tried arresting him, and regular civilians did stand up for him a few times.

Date: 2013-01-04 10:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
Marvel Universe citizens tend to look a little more favorably on the Avengers too. I feel like most of the "murgh fuck you for saving me" stuff is directed towards the X-Men and Spider-Man.

Date: 2013-01-05 08:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
Yeah, I've seen this before in Marvel too. Though I can't name any issues, mostly because I haven't read that many older issues, but there's the token 'F'k Yeah New Yorkers!' scene that they have in every Spider-Man film, where the Citizens of New York do something helpful (hell, the above scene almost felt like it was lifted from the train scene in Spider-Man 2), and three times in X-Men Evolution had something similar.

Date: 2013-01-05 12:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
This is why I used to like the DCU more than the Marvel Universe as well. The heroes got to be heroes and they were genuinely good people and the civilians in the DCU actually looked up to them - all without a bit of irony or deconstruction. Then came Emerald Twilight followed by Zero Hour followed by the Didio era and Identity Crisis and DC's attempts to ape Marvel (which was leading them in sales by a wide margin) the DC heroes became more like jerks than the Marvel ones ever were. And that has stayed the same in the reboot.


Date: 2013-01-05 02:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] theflames
"DC heroes became more like jerks than the Marvel ones ever were."

Ehhhh, I wouldn't take it that far.

It's hard to be a bigger jerk than Wolverine.
Or Cyclops.
Or Captain America.
Or any X-Men above the age of 20.


Date: 2013-01-05 07:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philippos42
Namor is supposed to be a jerk. And kind of a cold fish.

Date: 2013-01-05 08:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
Well, other than Wolverine, who even there is a jerk with a heart of gold (and technically, DC has Lobo, who's basically DC's answer to Wolverine and can be a bigger jerk than Logan at times), technically none of them are jerks. They can sometimes be written pretty badly to the point they come off as jerks, but that's down to bad writing, not the character.

Date: 2013-01-05 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] vitruvian23
How are fire fighters and residents outside a burning building an illegal gathering?

Date: 2013-01-05 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Because they are in the company of an alien, just like the creepy flying sentry dude says.

Date: 2013-01-05 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] vitruvian23
Still makes no sense. An alien shows up, and the firefighters are supposed to stop fighting the fire? No, that's stupid. The residents are supposed to leave the area of their home? Where are they supposed to disperse to? Still dumb. They didn't gather to consort with the alien, they were there dealing with an apartment building on fire.

Date: 2013-01-05 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You're assuming the law is in any sense fair or sane, it's not, this is a dystopian scenario.

The enforcers have limited reasoning capacity, and if the law says that being with an alien is the paramount crime, any other considerations are secondary, and if people die or lose property, that's acceptable to them.

Date: 2013-01-05 03:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glprime
"I'M Spartacus!"
"No, I'M Spartacaus!"
"I'M Spartacus!"
"I'M Jon Lovitz!"

Date: 2013-01-05 12:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
One of the reasons why i like DC more than Marvel is because the civilians are more like able in the DC Universe.


I remember the pizza guy who stayed behind to help an unconscious Nightwing in a burning building. I was all "THIS IS WHY THE BATFAMILY FIGHTS AND FIGHTS AND NEVER GIVES UP FOR GOTHAM'S SAKE!"

Date: 2013-01-05 12:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Btw, I've never read JLA: The Nail (I tend to avoid Elseworlds because they are almost always depressing). Does Hawkgirl survive?

Date: 2013-01-05 08:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
Wait, If aliens are considered illegal and are hunted down like this in this world, why would they come here? I mean, mutants in the Marvel Universe are humans born with mutated genes, they're born here and don't have the option to leave. Aliens though, they're born on a different planet, if they could come here then they could go to any planet they want, and they can usually leave whenever they want (though admittedly, if they're stuck here due to a crashed ship, then maybe not, but Superman and many other aliens can survive space and usually have access to the tech needed to travel on space).

Date: 2013-01-06 07:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
It didn't start out that way, things have gotten worse over time.

And a lot of them indeed don't have a good way off Earth once they're here, arriving by chance of what have you.

Date: 2013-01-06 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
Alan Davis <3

But you know, the Marvel civilians have had their fair share of awesome people. Such as the people of Broxton, back when Asgard was there, or the people of Houston, Texas, in Scarlet Spider.

And there are those New Yorkers who defend Spider-man, and such. It really depends where you turn to in Marvel. For example: civilians in X-men tend to be total assholes, adults, total douchebags, and teenagers, awesome but killed off.


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