Catwoman is cracking a safe when she notices a bomb.
Nightwing points out how hard it is to live up to Bruce's standards. Batman looks over the good that Selina's done, breaks into her apartment, and feeds her cats.
God, I miss this Batman. A guy who's incredibly difficult to deal with and with almost impossibly cruel standards, but still a decent human being who cares about the people around him and lets them know, however awkwardly.
BTAS is the greatest Batman and no one can convince me otherwise.
I think Bruce's increasing distance and grimness was better explained in the DCAU too, personally. It starts out due to Dick breaking away to become Nightwing, and gets worse with what the Joker does to Tim, but Bruce's attitude makes more sense; He's distancing himself *because* he cares, because people like the Joker only target people like Tim because of his association with them. And that made far more sense in terms of the standards he held them to; He needed them to be impossibly good because of what could happen to them otherwise, which is perfectly good reasoning when the Joker had, in the DCAU, displayed ways of keeping the entire seven-member Justice League on their toes.
It's a lot better than most interpretations of him in the main comics, where he turns into an asshole because that's the expected characterisation of him.
Except that the reason that DCAU Dick broke away to become Nightwing was that Bruce was already getting more distant from him, and not treating him like an adult.
He expects more from Catwoman than he does from Two-Face? Weird.
Although, Catwoman seems to do crime just to do it. As I said once on this board, instead of stealing money to buy shiny things, Selena goes right to the shiny things.
Though Bruce does have something of a blindspot for Harvey, forgiving him more than he would his other villains. Most villains, after beating Robin near to death with a baseball bat for shits and giggles, and just after murdering a judge, would have pretty much lost any and all second chances in perpetuity, but....
Dick has called him on that a few times, and he's never really been able to argue against it. Bruce always sees Harvey as the primary personality being tormented by his Two-Face side, but Dick sees Two-Face first, and Harvey second.
Does Bruce forgive him all that much? "Hush" and "Face the Face" instantly come to mind, but I get the feeling that around here, no-one would use either of those stories as evidence of anything except terrible writing.
Harvey is one of the few Batman villains who legitimately is mentally ill and may not be responsible for his crimes because of it.
The Joker may be crazy but his brand of crazy really doesn't link up with him being a murderous ass. He's aware of what he's doing and that it's seen as wrong. Any insanity he has is a footnote to that and wouldn't work in any real world court.
On the whole, no genius villain who is able to functionally use their genius to commit crime would be able to use the insanity defense.
The same could be said about a few of Batman's villains; Victor Fries was a noted scientist and loving husband, Harleen Quinzel was a promising psychiatrist, etc etc.
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Date: 2013-09-01 02:04 pm (UTC)BTAS is the greatest Batman and no one can convince me otherwise.
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Date: 2013-09-01 02:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-09-02 05:25 am (UTC)It's a lot better than most interpretations of him in the main comics, where he turns into an asshole because that's the expected characterisation of him.
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Date: 2013-09-01 05:47 pm (UTC)Luckily the DCU comics also dealt with that one!
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Date: 2013-09-01 05:56 pm (UTC)"Do you, Bruce Wayne, take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife?"
"She's a criminal."
10 years later...
"Happy mother's day Mommy!"
"I love you, hun. You're a thief."
"Love you too."
50 years later...
"You wanna do somethin' special for our anniversary, Bruce?"
"You're a criminal."
"Yeah, Hawaii might be nice."
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Date: 2013-09-01 05:59 pm (UTC)Although, Catwoman seems to do crime just to do it. As I said once on this board, instead of stealing money to buy shiny things, Selena goes right to the shiny things.
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Date: 2013-09-01 07:30 pm (UTC)Dick has called him on that a few times, and he's never really been able to argue against it. Bruce always sees Harvey as the primary personality being tormented by his Two-Face side, but Dick sees Two-Face first, and Harvey second.
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Date: 2013-09-04 12:59 am (UTC)The Joker may be crazy but his brand of crazy really doesn't link up with him being a murderous ass. He's aware of what he's doing and that it's seen as wrong. Any insanity he has is a footnote to that and wouldn't work in any real world court.
On the whole, no genius villain who is able to functionally use their genius to commit crime would be able to use the insanity defense.
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Date: 2013-09-02 02:04 am (UTC)In the meantime, I'll keep hoping for a happy ending for these two.
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