Villains being Awesome: Doom and Dracula Have a Meeting

[espanolbot]

No, the winner would emphatically be Doom.

Comments

[arilou_skiff]

For some reason I just love Dracula having a castle on the moon.

[crinos]

I love the fact that Doom got a hold of pieces of the True Cross so he could build it into his armor.

[arilou_skiff]

Eh, there's a lot of those splinters round :p

[icon_uk]

And since he has a time machine, you can be pretty sure they'd be genuine

[drmcninja]

I can't tell if this involves me or not, so I'll just sit here.

[glprime]

Oh, I'm sorry, was the fight between giant mechs and your own clone not enough fun for you?

Get back to work, Doc!

[stubbleupdate]

David Cameron was going to be in this scene, but it was cancelled.

[icon_uk]

Even the lord of the undead has standards...

[dragontail]

The winner already is Doom because, whatever else he may be, Doom is not racist. And that's one of the many reasons I love the character, and why I have no issue whatsoever with my 9yo daughter claiming him as one of her all-time favourites. He is (for want of a much better term) a good antagonist.

[rainspirit]

Eeeeexcept for when Hudlin writes him...

[lonewolf23k]

...And then Marvel decided to f-ck up Dracula by changing him from this cool classic image to this:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100716131108/marveldatabase/images/c/ce/X-Men_Vol_3_1_Textless_Djurdjevic_Variant.jpg

...Yeah, way to screw things up, Marvel.

[glprime]

Eh. Dracula's a shapeshifter. He can appear however he wants. Sword&Sorcery Pinup one day, Gothic Horror God the next.

[icon_uk]

He's a man of moods...

[silverhammerman]

I really don't get that look at all. If they wanted to get away from the classic Tomb of Dracula look, why not just try to dress Dracula the way Vlad Tepes might have actually dressed? Frankly that goofy Legacy of Kain costume is even less believable that the old look.

Agreed 100%

[blue_bolt]

"No, the winner would emphatically be Doom."

Yeppers, curbstomp beatdown for sure.

[alexanderlucard]

So weird question - Is it really racism or is it something else if as a boy you were sold to the sultan and repeatedly raped by other men throughout your childhood, all of whom just happened to all be Muslim. Then as an adult your country was the only thing standing between the Turkish and Catholic empires and you lived in a constant state of murder or be murdered because the one empire, that just happened to be Muslim, kept invading your land and killing your people.

Vlad was a bloodthirsty psycho at times, but when your entire mortal life consisted of "Muslims are doing terrible things to me," to the point where if he was alive today Fox News would be having constant stories on him, portraying him as a wonderful martyr and world leader, I don't think calling his viewpoint "racist" is the correct term. Maybe "understandably nursing a grudge longer than he should considering it's a few centuries later?" I think calling him racist (or rather a character based on him) is actually kind of insulting and almost offensive to what the man went through in his life time. It's the adage, "it's not paranoia if everyone really is out to get you." turned into, "It's not racism if an empire made up of one particular category is out to get you." Is there even a proper word for that sort of thing? Where your world view is slanted against a skin colour/sexual preference/religious choice/etc because of actual credible and factual events rather then just snap judgment and fear of something that is different (but not inherently bad because of said difference) to you? Like if every day a different Irishman punched you in the genitals would you be racist towards the Irish, or would it be more a Pavlovian defense mechanism?

[sadoeuphemist]

No that's still racism, because the world and the balance of power within it has changed dramatically since those days, and for him to continue to keep his views due to an example that no longer exists is nothing but bigotry, and no longer credible and factual. If you get, like, brutally abused as a child by black people, that does not justify you bearing a grudge against all black people forever for the rest of your life.

What you are talking about, if for example a black person in America hates white people, is called prejudice in academia, to differentiate it from institutional racism. The focus is not on what they have suffered in the past, but the power differential that exists in the present. This black person may hate all whites, but he will find it very difficult to meaningfully discriminate against them by redlining them, or convicting them disproportionately of crimes, or denying them employment opportunities, or whatever.

[alexanderlucard]

Thanks. That makes sense. So in the case of Cornell's version of Dracula it wouldn't have been racism while alive (or shortly into undeath) due to the different era and way of life, but in modern 616 tines it would be say an anachronistic prejudice due to his life experience intruding or perhaps even overwhelming his ability to see that most modern day Muslims are not planning to rape and pillage.

[lilacsigil]

That's exactly how I read it. For example, two of my great-uncles were killed in PoW camps by Japanese soldiers in WWII. Some of their siblings were anxious about Japanese people for the rest of their lives (which I think is understandable) and some were openly and aggressively racist against all Asian people for the rest of their lives.

[shadur]

And, of course, just because something is "understandable" doesn't mean it's always acceptable...

[cyberghostface]

Dracula doesn't mention anything related to race?

[superfangirl1]

I love seeing Dracula is different genre comics.

[donnblake]

Did... did Dracula just scuff out Neil Armstrong's bootprint? Whatajerk.

[bruinsfan]

Considering how intertwined the moon landing is with American myth/symbolism, I'd have been tempted to make its site have the effect of holy ground on vampires.

[donnblake]

Of course, it's hard to say what the significance of Neil Armstrong might have been in Marvel. The Fantastic Four were running around on the moon fighting Soviets back in sixty-three, but, y'know, sliding timescale.