Where no MAN has gone before?

[icon_uk]

Yeah... right (Okay, that's a cheap shot, I know they modified it to a gender neutral form in 1987 when ST:TNG came along, but given IDW's upcoming story it seemed apt)

Or rather Rule 63

Star Trek #29 and #30

An all-new adventure in which Captain Jane Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise fight for their lives in a two-part story overseen by Roberto Orci. Mike Johnson penned the story, which is complemented by Yasmin Liang art and a Cat Staggs cover.

So Rule 63 Star Trek will be as close to canon as anything not on screen gets? There's a part of me that says that given the society that ST claims to be it shouldn't be THAT different, but....



Star Trek Parallel Lives costume designs by *gattadonna on deviantART


Star Trek Parallel Lives costume designs by *gattadonna on deviantART

Meet Captain Jane Kirk, Science Officer Spock and Lt. Uhuro in Star Trek #29 and #30

An all-new adventure in which Captain Jane Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise fight for their lives in a two-part story overseen by Roberto Orci. Mike Johnson penned the story, which is complemented by Yasmin Liang art and a Cat Staggs cover.

So Rule 63 Star Trek will be as close to canon as anything not on screen gets? There's a part of me that says that given the society that ST claims to be it shouldn't be THAT different, but I suspect it will be (though one hopes they don't have an equivalent "No man can command a starship" that "Turnabout Intruder" gave us (and which Enterprise managed to wipe away from the outset, when the second human warp drive ship had a female captain)

Comments

[superfangirl1]

So if Captain Jane Kirk gets her shirt ripped, would she get Kirk abilities and powers also? lol

[akodo_rokku]

Presumably she constantly loses her pants.

[ozaline]

somehow I hope she still is irresistible to the ladies cause damn, she can also be irresistible to the guys.

[cainofdreaming]

And more fuel for Kirk/Spock slash was had by all.

[junipepper]

You know, even after they changed it, it was still like saying, "We're going where no one has gone before. And meeting all the people there." But I'll concede that the official line rings better than "To boldly go where we have never gone, uh, yet." Or "To boldly go where no one we actually know has gone before." Yeah, think I'll leave it alone.

My dad used to say, "To boldly split infinitives that no man has split before."

[icon_uk]

Ah but you see no one has GONE there, because there people they meet were ALREADY there. And quite a few times they do go where no one's been before like the barrier that boosted whatsisnames psionic powers.

And the split infinitive is something of a bugbear with me, the only reason a split infinitive is viewed as being poor grammar is because Latin's infinitives were one word and so couldn't be split no matter how hard you tried and so someone thought that English infinitives shouldn't be split either.

If a split infinitive was good enough for Byron, it's good enough for me.

[junipepper]

To sometimes go where no one has gone before? Just sayin' -- there were an awful lot of people out there where no one had ever gone. Surely some of them had come from other places.


"a split infinitive is viewed as being poor grammar is because Latin's infinitives were one word and so couldn't be split no matter how hard you tried and so someone thought that English infinitives shouldn't be split either." I did know that, actually; having a bachelor's degree in linguistics, I'm not much of a syntactic prescriptivist myself (don't get me started on the double negative...). My father, however, was born in 1932 and his degrees are in English, so -- it's a somewhat different perspective.

In any case, when we actually had that conversation (in, like, 1972) -- we were was just kidding around, playing with language. I mean, you did get that, right?

[icon_uk]

Gasp! You've been being less than serious? On the interwebs? Is that allowed?

;)

Fear not, I'd heard that comment more than a few times myself.

(I suppose part of my "thing" about the split infintive was discovering that it was for such a silly reason. I'd been told for ages that it was a BAD THING, and then found out why and it was a case of "Really? THAT'S why?")

[junipepper]

"Is that allowed?
Well, it might not have been allowed in 1972... so good thing we waited a while before posting it. *whew* People have been known to become homicidal over idle, ironic postings, yanno, so -- there's that.

""Really? THAT'S why?"
Yeah, it's idiotic. And on my honor, I have never once split an infinitive in my second language (French).

[sir_razorback]

This is a critique, not a complaint really. But why did they have to make Uhuru look like a boxer? Feels like racial stereotyping.

[icon_uk]

Not seeing that at all to be honest, broad shoulders yes, but no way you'd be a boxer with arms that skinny.

[sir_razorback]

I was looking more at the general emotion and posture more than the size of his arms. To me, that posture just screams "Twitch wrong and you get to eat fist". Again, not trying to sound bitchy, just wondering about it. I'll give it a chance, see how it's written out. It's just one image, after all.

Then again, Spock looks rally aggressive for a Vulcan. Bleh... Trying to stop picking at nits, I do want to read this. Looks interesting.

Mod Note!

[icon_uk]

Please avoid the use of gender specific derogatory terms like "bitchy" on scans_daily.

Re: Mod Note!

[sir_razorback]

Bleh.. Sorry about that. I try to, that one slipped out.

[jlbarnett]

my head canon for Enterprise having a female captain but TOS saying it wasn't happened was a disastrous first contact with a very patriarchal culture made them take female captains off first contact missions

[michaelhealy]

So that they have the exact same problem on a larger scale when they have first contact with a matriarchal society?

[jlbarnett]

call it a bit of pro-woman bias, they didn't expect a matriarchal to slaughter the landing party and try to take over the ship

[icon_uk]

Ah, but the events of Angel One show that no matriarchal society can resist the sheer... manilness of Riker (God help us all)

[lieut_kettch]

You can't help but fall for a guy who sits on a chair by first straddling the frakking chairback.

[benuben]

Why is everyone keep acting like female captains not allowed in TOS era is canon when that one line can be so easily hand waved?

[icon_uk]

When you build an entire episode (and the last ever TOS episode shown in first run) around the concept, it tends to linger in the memory.

[benuben]

The episode is built around the concept of a crazy woman who thinks women aren't alowed to be captains takes over the ship. Yes, it is still very stupid and misogynistic but given that we actually see female captain in TOS movie I just don't see why it's THAT thing people bring up. There is plenty of inexcusable misogyny in Trek why is it this one that fans constantly bring up?

[icon_uk]

I believe it's stated in episode by someone other than the woman concerned that women can't be starship captains, so it's not her delusion (Which I would have been fine with, insofar as it went), it's what the status quo WAS.

[benuben]

By who?

[icon_uk]

A fair question, and I haven't seen the episode in so long I had to go looking for an answer, and I believe I may owe you at least a partial apology.

It IS stated by Janice Lester, in the line "Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women" but she is speaking to Kirk at the time, and he doesn't in any way gainsay her statement, and at that point in TOS, no female captain had been seen, so the logical inference is that she's saying there are no women (Even Kirk would surely have commented that there WERE female Captains if such were the case)

It's possible that it means that "there's no room for a woman in a captains life" but that doesn't actually have any bearing on her issues, which are to do with her never becoming a Captain in her own right, not as the other half to a male Captain.

[halloweenjack]

I just re-watched the episode in question (and what an experience it was to do so, when I haven't seen it in decades), and there's a lot of ways to interpret that line. I don't know that you can pinpoint her mental and emotional problems to a specific DSM-V diagnosis--the writing isn't that good, frankly--but she's obviously had lots of problems way before the time of the episode, and it's possible that she was rejected for the command track at the Academy and dropped out (she mentions that she was dating Kirk for a year at the Academy; it's possible that that's the only year that she attended), maybe because there were early signs of her instability.

What is known is that women were considered suitable for command both immediately before the TOS era proper (Number One from "The Cage/The Menagerie", who isn't a captain in rank but takes command of the Enterprise after Pike's capture) and immediately after (the captain of the Saratoga in STIV; confusingly enough, this isn't the same Saratoga that we see in the opening of the pilot for DS9, even though it's the same class). Frankly, I'm thinking that the ambiguity that the episode has suggested WRT this is just another example of a third-season TOS embarrassment that We Need Not Speak Of Again.

[kamino_neko]

Uhuro? But a) Uhura is her family name. (Personal name is Nyota.) b) I'm pretty sure Swahili doesn't use Italian gender determiners in its names, even if it were her given name.

Also, it's slightly odd to me that the humans have genderswapped names (even if not always correctly swapped), but Spock has a masculine-style name, rather than one modeled on T'Pau, T'Pring, or T'Pol. (Yeah, there was Saavik, but she was an oddball.)

Wonder what Scottie's first name is...Morag, maybe?

[icon_uk]

I believe that Uhura is also not a "true" Swahili word, since it's "uhuru" which means freedom, not "uhura", so this may be a case of it being differently incorrect.

Plus there's no such thing as a "standard" Vulcan name, as you say there's Saavik, but there's also Doctor Selar, though I agree that a variation could have been adopted here.

Morag would be a good name for Scotty

[arbre_rieur]

And Valeris.

[lieut_kettch]

T'Spok, then?

Morag Scott works for me.

This is fun.

Lt. Hitomi Sulu!

Nurse (or Corpsman) Chris Chapel!

Dr. Leona McCoy!

Ensign Pavla Chekova!

And Khanum Noonian Kaur!

[kamino_neko]

T'Spok, then?

That's my thought.

Lt. Hitomi Sulu!

I'm hoping she'll be Hikaru, since it's a unisex name. (I suspect she won't, though.)

Dr. Leona McCoy!

Oh, good one...for some reason, my name wouldn't let go of 'Lisa', which a terrible choice.

[ozaline]

See but then I'd be giving her the voice of Hikaru from Magic Knight Rayearth in my head.

[slippy]

The Uhuro thing is also a bit mind boggling to me. I promise, writers, no one will be confused by the typically feminine 'a' ending.

[beoweasel]

So, Rule 63 Uhura is essentially Benjamin Sisko?

[avantre]

Wouldn't an engineer who presumably has to crawl around Jeffries Tubes and who lies under consoles while repairing them be better served by slacks than a skirt? It must be a bit rough on the legs and knees doing repair work in anything but trousers. (Or is that not Scotty in the back there?)

[icon_uk]

Well, she IS Scottish, and so is perhaps just looking on this as a sort of kilt, she now has knees that have enough callous to deflect small arms fire.

[espanolbot]

Heh, it's funny because in Gene Roddenberry's day, he inserted a line in an episode that said women weren't allowed to be starship captains.

Turnabout Intruder I think it was.

[halloweenjack]

Way back in the day, as in the Seventies, there was a published anthology of Trek fanfic that featured a story titled "The Procrustean Petard" (swear to Landru) with a somewhat similar premise. I'll just let you read the description.

[pyrrhocorax]

Uhura without her beautiful hair or stylish earrings? :(

Kirk and T'spok don't look that close to the originals, but I will forgive them because they are totally hot. if only the reboot had been like this...ladies+trek is like bananas+icecream.

[jetblack927]

39 Comments and NO ONE mentions that Futurama did this FIRST?!?!?!

[silverzeo]

So will the Universe it self be opposite Gender, or will it just stick with the characters from the franchise?