Nightwing #25: Year Zero

[superfangirl1]

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[junipepper]

You know, I was looking forward to this issue and honestly? It's kind of boring.

Thanks for posting, though, Nightwing should always be given his due share of attention. Especially now.

[sianmink]

So.. Crimefighting in what was essentially his famous family acrobat uniform, and nobody ever figured out that Nightwing=Dick Grayson?
Are people in Gotham just stupid?

[starwolf_oakley]

When Superboy (Kon-El) first met Robin (Tim Drake) in WF3, he said "Even with the costume, something tells me this isn't one of the legendary Flying Graysons."

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Nightwing #25

[xenitha]

And of course, the really annoying thing, aside from the absence of Batman, is that little Dickie Grayson LEARNED A VALUABLE LESSON about humility and teamwork. Made me want to retch.

[flash_fan]

I feel like DC comics has spent the last 3 years re-examining and explaining the origins of all their superheroes. The images themselves have become exhausting to me. Lets move forward with the never-ending plot.

[icon_uk]

They have and they haven't. How many times have we seen Batman and Dick Grayson's Robin (heck ANY of his Robin's other than Damian) on an actual case... , on a case in the past?

[minervasolo]

I was talking to my other half, who mainly knows Batman through the movies, and he asked if the whole "World's Greatest Detective" thing was better demonstrated in the comics. I had to tell him that usually it wasn't. I might actually read a bat-comic again if I thought I had a shot at a decent detective story. At the moment everything's very reactionary, and mostly backstory based.

[sadoeuphemist]

Has there ever been a Batman story, I mean in the entire history of the character, where he functioned even as an above-average detective. Because even at his most deductive I feel like it's still mostly stuff like, 'the Scarecrow left sawdust and rust flakes behind! To the abandoned sawmill, Robin!"

[shadowpsykie]

i'd argue that in Identity Crisis (problematic issues aside i sorta liked that story) batman was a pretty good detective.

some of his older stories too (about the time of Death in the Family)

Morrison had him as a pretty good detective in the black glove thing. Snyder has depicited both Dick and Bruce batmen as pretty good detectives...

but i agree, for hte most part, batman is rarely shown being a "detective" outside of the animated series/

[lego_joker]

If you want straight-up detective work, I recommend looking at Doug Moench's prose collection "The Forensic Files of the Batman". It benefits from its format (I maintain that prose is still the best medium for intellectual, detective-work kind of stories), not to mention the fact that Moench seems genuinely passionate about the subject, and about doing the research in general (even when he was writing comics, he generally tried to cram in random factoids at every opportunity).

Sure, Moench's dialogue is still incredibly cheesy, and a lot of his characterizations might come across as one-note caricatures, but the detective stuff is good.

[junipepper]

Yeah, this is the problem for me. They don't go back far enough. If you're going to reboot, then reboot. Start from the beginning. There is a wealth of material in the canon that could be revisited or re-interpreted or reconsidered in creative ways, considering the changes in society and the ways that story-telling has evolved over time. That they just go back to the last couple of decades, over and fucking over again, or back to Batman's beginning but skipping everything in between, is disappointing. *Yawn*

I thought this might be a break from all of that -- a pre-Robin Dick Grayson, we haven't seen a huge amount of that. But apart from the fact that it's a pretty dumb story in itself, I have trouble buying Dick's "origin" in the DCnU (see above, reboot). It's not even consistent with the character's current position in the U, if Forever Evil is an indicator.

So, yeah -- *yawn*