Forever Evil #6

[superfangirl1]

Black Manta and Captain Cold get their shining moments with killing Earth 3 Alfred and taking on Atomica and Johnny Quick and winning the fight.



As for the reveal of the man who was bound and gag by the Crime Syndicate.

Comments

Mod Note!

[icon_uk]

Now I don't want it to be said that I'm saying this because of harm being caused to circus acrobats, but it is more than four pages, so one will have to go I'm afraid.

Re: Mod Note!

[superfangirl1]

I cut the first and third images in half. So some panels been cut to not break the rules. ;)

[filthysize]

Was Luthor just trying to stop Dick's heart momentarily so he can disarm the bomb and then try to resuscitate him? If so, maybe just say that instead of saying ominous things, Lex.

[icon_uk]

I think that is the case, because Luthor has far more effective means of stopping somone breathing permanently in that armour rather than smothering them with his bare hands.

However, it would be a bad idea to say that out loud in the middle of a deathtrap being monitored by his enemies, since they might decide to just detonate the bomb anyway.

The fact that Bruce would also know about a half-dozen ways to paralyse someone's heart for a few minutes is perhaps one we gloss over.

[firstmoonie]

Johns is surely dumbing down Bruce which I dislike (and most of the reason why I'm not buying JL book)

[shadowpsykie]

i don't think he is dumbing him down. Hell if this was himself tied to the machine it's probably the first thing he would think of. but this is one of his people. more than that, this is Dick. the thought would never occur to him.

[icon_uk]

It should occur to him because (and I really hate myself for typing this phrase for, I think, the first time ever) he's Batman. He's supposed to be the one to think things like that in situations where most people would be in a state that makes headless chickens look like models of Zen calm.

[firstmoonie]

Like icon_uk said, from my exposition to Batman, I know that he's capable of making heartless decisions regardless of the person. This sounds a bit OOC to me.

[mastermahan]

That may be Bruce's son/brother in there, but A) Batman is supposed to be smart and cool under pressure, B) even Bizarro could see the way out of this trap, and C) Batman has had to rescue Dick Grayson before, lots of times (just ask icon_uk!).

[mastermahan]

I'm thinking Luthor slipped Dick a Death Faking pill or something. Though if that is what happened, then Luthor has officially become a better Batman than Batman.

[icon_uk]

I can sort of see the suggestion made elsewhere on this thread that Dick is the one person (Well.... possibly Alfred) that Bruce WILL freak out over in a most un-Batman-ly way.

[mastermahan]

I was referring more to that if anyone would be able to pull out a death faking pill, it would be Batman. It just strikes me as a little low-tech for Luthor.

As for Bruce freaking out: I want Batman to have human emotions and people he cares about, as opposed to the perfect invincible sociopath he's often devolved into. But his trigger being Dick Grayson in a deathtrap just doesn't jibe, because no matter what the New 52 continuity is, it has to have come up before.

[icon_uk]

On the other hand, Owlman would be unlikely to believe that Batman would ever kill Dick, so would expect it to be a fake out, but he likewise knows that Luthor is more than cold blooded enough to kill him without a qualm if it was his own survival that was at stake, and so would be less likely to fake it (I assume that Lex is hoping that Dick might have useful intel when he's revived.)

[dragonbat2006]

Except that 1) it takes about 5 minutes to smother a person with a pillow and 2) the heart will actually keep beating for up to 10 to 12 minutes after the lungs go.

[servant_iskandar]

Hm.
Not entirely unexpected, but it's also a departure from the classic characterization of Earth-3 Luthor. And if I remember correctly, this is the very first time he's ever been linked to the Shazam mythos.

Wait and see, I guess.

[venatosapiens]

Wait, so is Dick ok or not? This is a bit unclear.

[icon_uk]

It's not looking good for him. The bomb doesn't go off, with all that that implies.

How long this sticks for given the fact that Luthor claims to have it under control, is another matter.

[firstmoonie]

Someone should really post Captain Cold's moment. I loved every inch of it. Can't wait to see him in JL, he might make me consider picking up the book.

On the other hand Dick...sigh...Yea he was the main character of this event, right?

Pretty sure he's not dying. I don't, for a second, buy it.

MAZAHS was a nice twist but Alex being hooded guy was hella predictable.

tl;dr: underwhelming but Captain Cold is awesome.

[chrisdv]

I like the Mazahs armour.

I can see Dick staying dead, since there's no Nightwing book after next month & he's not in any of the Batman Eternal promo material.

Sadly, this is all I'll be able to read of the book for a few weeks since I can't get to the comic shop on my broken foot, and there's no point buying it digitally & in print.

[shadowpsykie]

rumor has it he's the Blond "nightwing" in the Thanksgiving photo

[auggie18]

Holy crap, this event is still happening? It feels like it's been going on forever.

[chrisdv]

Well, it is in the title...

[mrstatham]

So in a world where we have a threat with as diverse a powerset as this take on the Crime Syndicate, a bomb strapped to someone's chest is the most imaginative threat we can have?

I look forward to the inevitable 'tying someone to train tracks' plot.

[coldfiredragon]

I wish to god that DW had a like button right now!

[icon_uk]

I would heartilu applaud the novelty of a "tying someone (Dick Grayson if possible) to the train tracks" plot, instead of the more common evisceration/shooting with hollow point bullets or whatever else is the norm these days.

It's at least a step up from Dick being rendered completely helpless by handcuffing him to a chair, the sort of thing he should be able to escape without even needing to show the escape.

[drtechnobabel]

The thing I find funny about this entire storyline is that, if I remember correctly, originally Dick was supposed to die in Infinite Crisis instead of Supergirl, but the DC executives at the time said that killing off Nightwing was a really bad idea due to how popular he was. I guess whoever's in charge now thinks differently, and for the life of me I don't know why.

[icon_uk]

Superboy was the one who died in Infinite Crisis, and IIRC it was never made clear whether it was just Dick who was due to die, or Dick AND Connor, which would have added loss to both Superman and Batman to angst over and mend their broken friendship (or something)

And the popularity of Dick is PRECISELY why they're teasing it here, because controversy sells like almost nothing else.

[drtechnobabel]

Fair enough, though the real question is whether or not they'll follow through and actually kill him or not. I honestly can't tell anymore, but I think it'd be a bad idea if they do simply because Batman just got over the death of Damien, and having Dick die so soon after the whole '5 stages of grief' storyline would either mean we'd be retreading old ground while Batman grieves someone who was basically a son to him, or they'd skip it and end up implying that Batman cares significantly less about Dick than he did Damien.

[chrisdv]

It's still DiDio in charge. Supposedly, part of the reason Nightwing didn't die in Infinite Crisis is that DiDio thought the character was redundant since they already had Robin, but Johns proceeded to explain why Nightwing was an important character & convinced DiDio to not go through with it.

Of course, there's been a reboot since then, which would presumably be part of the reason they now feel they can do it - Dick Grayson's 70-something years of history technically never happened.

[xenitha]

If they kill Dick Grayson and make it stick, there will be an exodus away from DC and probably toward Marvel. I don't think they're that stupid, although, admittedly they've done some dumb things lately. Still, I think they'll resuscitate Dick.

[lucean]

I freely admit asking this as a huge Batman fan, but has there actually been a shining moment for Batman in the series so far? I mean every scene I've seen has basically been Batman trying something, failing and one of Johns's big favorite characters coming to save the situation?

I'm just constantly baffled in Johns apparent need to job Batman out to make his favorite characters look good.

[mrstatham]

Johns has basically said this is one big Lex Luthor focus story, with the end result - thanks to DC for whatever reason NOT covering up their solicits for the months after FE has ended - being that Luthor joins the Justice League. So.. Yeah, it's meant to be a Luthor story. I can understand your perspective, but at the same time, Batman's had plenty of moments to shine in other events.

[lucean]

I actually have nothing against it being Luthor-centered, or if this was a one off situation, but this is pretty consistent for Johns writing. He is always the character to be sacrificed to make his favorites look good. I mean, I can't think of similar things he's done with Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman or any other big names. But Batman? Yeah, he's going to be put down to make Johns characters look good.

As for the shining moments, I actually somewhat disagree with this, especially with events written by Johns. Batman doesn't really have that many shining moments in large events considering how large of a character he is for DC.

[firstmoonie]

It's not only Batman. If he doesn't care/like a character, that person is pretty much doomed.

[joetuss]

As another huge Batman/bat family fan I have to say fuck Geoff Johns...its been obvious since brightest day that he hates Batman. Until DC has another flashpoint and it restores the real DC uni Make mine Marvel. I reluctantly learned to live with the fouled up timelines and the absences of Cass and Steph but this is just way over the top for me. Again fuck DC and fuck Geoff Johns

[mrstatham]

Dude, tone it down at touch. I can agree with some of what you're saying, but that's a pretty personal attack on Johns, there.

[firstmoonie]

I don't like the way he treats his non-fave characters. I enjoyed Cold's moment but yeah...Johns is surely playing favourites during this event.

Mod Note!

[icon_uk]

Please do not direct personal comments towards creators on scans_daily.

You can dislike their work as much as you like, however.

Re: Mod Note!

[joetuss]

As I said before i do apologize if i offended anyone. I do tend to dwell in my anger from time to time. With that being said it would probably be best if i were to leave scans to avoid any future offense. No hard feelings/sorry

[zabilac]

So, Batman saves Dick from a bomb strapped to his chest and Earth-2 Luthor is Shazam?

[coldfiredragon]

It's the Earth 3 Luthor that's Shazam isn't it? And Whether or not Dick dies is being teased till next issue. Haven't picked up my copy yet, that happens today, but from what I've read of the mini so far that seems to be what's happening.

[zabilac]

I read that some people are theorizing that the Alexander is the father of the baby that Superwoman's carrying. Since apparently in post-DCU Earth-3 Alexander and Lois were married or something.

Just food for thought.