Original Sin: Hulk vs Iron Man #1

[kojiro]

After getting exposed to Uatu's eyeball, Tony begins experiencing Bruce's memories.

Comments

[icon_uk]

This can only end well...

[goattoucher]

If we roll through all the MU's heavy hitters beating the crap out of Tony, it will fill me with delight.

Next I want to see cap giving Tony a whupping - while he's in the suit.

[freezer]

Didn't we pretty much already do that , post-Dark Reign?

[tugrul]

I'm still gleefully waiting for the issue to arrive where Cap and the Avengers give Tony a whupping for shutting Cap out of the Illuminati and then erasing his memories. My comic book shop in the The Hague, Netherlands always has difficulties with the distributor.

If the whupp his ass I'll be delighted. From what I understand though is, the Avengers were scattered across time so I don't know whether whupping took place.

[aperturedreams]

Without spoiling anything, I can say it's quite satisfying.

[tugrul]

Thank you. :)

[polly1788]

most likely someone being shot into space

[crinos]

Or flung into space.

Also I'm calling this as a hoax or imaginary story, or some kind of misunderstanding, cause no way Marvel would ever pull a plot twist like this. Its like in FF when Ben said he was the one who messed up Doom's experiment and caused his face to get messed up.

[flint_marko]

i think they're just going to reveal tony's interference didn't really change anything, and he would have still become the hulk regardless.

[crinos]

Most likely.

[freezer]

Even so, it seems like every major Iron Man storyline since Civil War makes it harder and harder to buy that ANYBODY would ever work with Tony again, willingly.

[starwolf_oakley]

This doesn't seem to tie into the "Grey Hulk fights Gold Iron Man" thing from HULK: GREY. Yet.

I have reservations about the "Tony Stark spent the whole Silver Age drunk" flashbacks we've gotten from 1980 onward. If he was really *that* drunk *all* the time, why would Bethany Cabe be the first person to call him out on it?

[mrstatham]

I think it depends on the writer and which characters they're more supportive of; Like Fraction had his flashback arcs to Tony and Otto Octavius before their respective super-careers, and Tony wasn't particularly a heavy drinker there, as I recall. Some writers like Tony less and the easiest way to present him as a bad person is to have him drunk.

This almost reeks of it being Bruce's perception of Tony, though, because Tony is a lot of things, but I can't imagine him working on a bomb with the capacity to destroy continents as Bruce claims while drunk.

[halloweenjack]

It is fairly bizarre that Tony is the only one with a martini glass.

[freezer]

So Tony Stark, war profiteer exteme, is pissed off at Banner for creating a bomb that can be "turned down". The weapons engineer is mad at the creation of what is for all intents and purposes a variable-yield nuke?

One of the greatest scientific minds of the Marvel Universe, folks!

The only thing that makes sense is that, in the effort to turn Carol Danvers into Marvel's Wonder Woman expy, they decided they needed a equivelent to the Bat-Dick.

[goattoucher]

Woah woah WOAH!

Tony might be a dick, but he's not to Batman levels yet! Watch the hyperbole ;)

[donnblake]

Well, no. Not at all.

Tony Stark is mad at Bruce for calling him a war profiteer. Before that, he's smugly calling him out for limiting the yield of the bomb without, and this is the key part, telling the people he's building the bomb for.

[freezer]

Which, of course, implies that a WMD who's yield can be limited is a bad thing. Which was my real point.

[arbre_rieur]

Well, no. By designing the bomb however he did, Bruce is making it so that it *has* to have a low yield. Not "can" but has to, is forced to. Meanwhile, Tony's going "but it doesn't have to!" If anything, Stark's the own pushing for the greater range.

[freezer]

It's still a ludicrous "forest for the trees" POV: If *this* part causes a lower yield, and removing increases yield (which is the way I read it), how much smaller can they make it and still achieve a viable detonation. A fantastic nuke that can take out a 5KM radius instead of 50 would the D.O.D. cream their collective pants. But here's (the future) Iron Dick going "NO! MUST HAVE MORE DAKKA!"

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but that's my take.

[arbre_rieur]

5 km comes entirely from you, though. There's nothing on-panel to suggest it'd be anything remotely so small and therefore useful. It seems pretty clear that Banner has been hired to produce the next generation H-bomb here, something even bigger and nastier. That he'd think his handicapped version would satisfy that objective implies it has a radius much, much greater than 5 km. If it was anywhere approaching 5 km, he certainly wouldn't use "continent-killer" to describe the very next level above.

[freezer]

The 5 km thing was pretty much an arbitrary number. I have no idea what the Gamma Bomb's blast radius is/was supposed to be.

[arbre_rieur]

That's kind of what I'm saying. You're assuming that Banner's method, however it works, could limit the radius to such an extent that it'd make the bomb an incredibly effective tactical weapon in a way traditional nukes wouldn't (and so Tony's an idiot for not seeing the potential there). But there's no reason to believe that's the case.

[donnblake]

No, it implies that Tony believes deceiving the government about the capabilities of the weapon you're designing for them is a bad thing.

[freezer]

Which, coming from Tony*, would be even worse.


* Depending on how much Movieverse!Tony has has been integrated into 616!Tony.

[donnblake]

Given Tony's attitude here, I wouldn't be surprised for him to see it as fine when he does it.

So really it more says, "Tony thinks it's a good thing for Tony to swing his big science-dick around and make sure everyone know's he's the smartest guy in the room."

[deepspaceartist]

I am getting really sick of writers continuing to pile on the 'Tony Stark is a terrible person and everyone should hate him' bullshit. Especially since it usually seems so riduclously exaggerated that my usual reaction is 'wow, this writer is awful at writing Iron Man' rather then their presumambly intended reaction of 'wow, Iron Man is a dick.'

[starwolf_oakley]

Geoff Johns has a similar thing about Batman. "Boy, Geoff Johns must hate Batman" is the common response than "Batman is a jerk."

[dragonbat2006]

And Bruce's password before he found out about this was "Smashtony". I think he's going to realize it's not secure enough and add a bunch of exclamation marks when this is over.

[silverhammerman]

I'm sure that Tony Stark's role in the creation of the Hulk will be revealed to be minimal, but I still don't like the idea of the two crossing paths a ton before they became superheroes. This and the whole retconned in past that grew out of the "Science Bros" stuff just feels like overly coincidental small world writing, having everything be connected is boring and takes away from the fun sense of scale in a shared universe.

Like, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner being friends because they went to college together is fine, but Iron Man and the Hulk being friends because they team up to punch monsters is a whole lot more crazy and fun to me.