Secret Avengers #12

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[sagrada]

"Before I kill you, Mr. Bond..."
"Mz. Hill-"
"Yes, of course, whatever. AS I WAS SAYING..."

[sagrada]

Also I note with displeasure that it's a bunch of dudes going to save a couple of ostensibly helpless women. I thought we were past that by now, what gives?

[burkeonthesly]

I'm expecting a subversion of that very trope somewhere down the line. If someone were to try to give Maria Hill a credibility push, having her be in complete control of SHIELD from the inside of her cell (all Vetinari-style) might be a good way to do it.

[mrstatham]

Except characters like Hill and Jess Drew should be way beyond stuff like this, by now.

[burkeonthesly]

True. Maybe it's better to say that I'm hoping for something to retroactively sorta-justify this, I guess, and that's the closest I could think of.

"So, since you're helpless in my clutches, I think I'll gloat yet again--"
"You know, I signed all the orders to build these cells. The blueprints, the lock schematics, the plumbing--the access codes? I signed off on all of it. Every time you went up to give orders, I'd step out and make a few calls. You actually put me in that cell, but I had to get back in one in a hurry, once, and you didn't notice the change."
"Whuh-?"
"Alright, that sound you're hearing now? That's going to be Barton, taking down the security station three floors up. And that, that's the generators for your security grid cycling down--Coulson's work, I'd bet. And that other sound? That you're not hearing? That's Nick Fury Junior, holding a gun to your transparent head while I tell you this. So go ahead. Gloat."
...
"Is that the Fury?"

[jekylls_salvation]

In their line of work? Eh. James Bond gets caught. Puts himself in these situations.

[icon_uk]

Bond is a solo operative, he wouldn't have a team coming to get him back detracting from HIS storyline.

[jekylls_salvation]

Good point. If you're going to be doing these things, it helps to be part of a superhero team so someone will rescue you if you're the type to get yourself into these situations.

[sagrada]

If it turns out that all this time she was wearing a wig concealing a dozen communication devices or something, I will be so happy.

[nyadnar17]

I love that MODOK's ring tone is Jay-Z.

[nate_abril96]

But "Monster" is by Kanye West.

[halloweenjack]

According to the Wiki, Nick Spencer was originally the writer at relaunch, but obviously not right now. Has it been this good at least since the relaunch?

[mrstatham]

That would be at the launch of the second volume. Spencer launched that and his ongoing AIM plot before he got shifted to Avengers World and had some of his stuff tacked onto Hickman's. Kot came in partway through Spencer's run as a co-writer, and was writing it in full by the end, then they relaunched it again for the third volume. Which is this.

The previous volume was good, but has a heavy focus on AIM and Mockingbird, so if that's a group and character that doesn't appeal much, I can't recommend it. Here, Kot has rendered Jessica Drew as a complete noob to the spy game, which doesn't ring remotely true even for the character's recent history, and.. It doesn't quite have the same pop, at least not to me.

But Kot is carrying on some of Spencer's subplots, whereas others branch off into Avengers World, so if you're interested, you'd maybe need to go from the 'Reverie' TPB onwards.

[halloweenjack]

Thanks for the recap. Yeah, having a Jessica Drew who's a noob at the spy game is like having a Peter Parker who failed biology (unless you want to make the case that he was too bored by it to do the assignments, and even that's a hell of a stretch.)

[aperturedreams]

I haven't really seen too much of that in this volume of Secret Avengers, but even if it is true Jessica Drew's spy skills are just a small flaw in what I would consider to be a terrific and very fun series.

[halloweenjack]

Hmmm, OK, according to Amazon the relaunch was when Nick Spencer started, he did the first two volumes and maybe part of a third, when Kot took over, and Kot's first full volume is called Volume 1. Sheesh, Marvel.

[cainofdreaming]

The Fury. What the effin' hell?!

[thanekos]

Allowing this series to tease its big threat with a character going " .. what could impregnate the Fury? ", that's what.

(And the answer, surprisingly, does not seem to be a Jim Jaspers.)

[cainofdreaming]

But that just doesn't compute. The Fury is barely sentient; it wouldn't, couldn't, care about such things even if it was physically able to produce offspring. It's not really a character but a two-legged superhuman killing wrecking ball.

[icon_uk]

Yeah, the Fury doing anything other than killing superbeings betrays a lack of understanding of what the Fury is. You want to do this sort of story. have a random Sentinel attain sentience or the like.

Also, the Fury just plain doesn't work in a superhero crowded storyline where it CAN'T kill characters, that much has been obvious since it's introduction to the mainstream American comics books.

In that X-Men story where it rather randomly first popped up it, had a wounded Cannonball in front of it, and DIDN'T kill him, and instead spent a long time co-opting Sage's brain to kill other X-Men in a complicated plot that just... didn't work.

[cainofdreaming]

Pi is still around, isn't he? Supposed to be in deep calculation for some millennia, but he could have been awakened despite himself.

He'd work better than Fury, anyway.

[thereddouglas]

Hawkeye: "Who's running things now?"

Robotic Egg Thing: "Some old, white guy."

Nick Fury: "Typical."

:D

[jlbarnett]

so, I remember Alan Moore being unimpressed with Chris Claremont's take on the Fury(naturally), I wonder what he would think of this one

[crinos]

Okay, so Nick Fury, Agent Coulson, Hawkeye, The Nanny, MODOK, and The Fury are eating Burritos in a cafeteria.

That is what I'm looking at here.

The first three I kind of get being on a team together, but after that its like they plastered pages from the Who's Who of the Marvel universe and threw darts at it.

[q99]

I suspect a fan of Modok's 11.

[featheredserpent]

Better: They have a database of all characters in the MU and a random number generator.

[crinos]

That would explain why Wolverine keeps popping up.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but "random generators" always seem to favor one particular value over and over. I have an MP3 player with almost 700 songs, and I have it on shuffle, but there are always certain songs it will always go for, and other ones it will almost never play.

Point is, random number generators are bullshit.

[cainofdreaming]

I'm not familiar with your particular rng, of course, but most often when I see this same issue being brought up it's simply because the sample size is too small and people are prone to seeing patterns even where there aren't any.

Sure, rng programs are only as good as their programmers, but it's not like they require any high math to make.

Edit - D'oh. Not familiar, that is. Should not post in early hours.

[big_daddy_d]

I know nothing of The Fury, but I sure do want to learn more.

[burkeonthesly]

I can't add much to your knowledge, but I can add this: it was a Captain Britain villain and showed up in Excalibur once to kick all the asses and maybe get killed.

[tugrul]

This was all great, with one minor annoyance. First only characters that shout talk in all uppercase letters and next it's every character in the book. Meh.

[leoboiko]

Also more Marvel random runes – is The Fury related to Asgard? His lines on these scans are:

• Sfar jzor
• Imiii

We can theorize that Furian has sfar = "make", jzor = "love" – or the other way around. Imiii might be "what", but it feels like an interjection.

It's unclear what are the dotlike diacritics for, but I'm betting on coarticulation, or possibly glides. Seen here are: dot right; dot left; dot below; dot above and below; two dots left; three dots right.

[icon_uk]

No, the Fury isn't Asgardian, it 's a cybiotic construct made by British reality warping madman "Mad Jim" Jaspers from Earth-238. The name comes from "The Mouse's Tale" in Lewis Carroll's "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" (Jaspers was a fan)

"I'll be I'll be jury,"
Said cunning old Fury:
"I'll try the whole cause,
and condemn you to death."'

[wizardru]

Why is it always Spiderwoman that's the hostage? Does Marvel really hate her or something? I found that to be the most distasteful part of Age of Ultron and here it is again, only less pervy. I mean, I don't expect her to be the center of attention all the time, but why does it always seem to be her?

[jekylls_salvation]

Wait, Modok's drinking. What's the situation there? The liquid goes where?

[jekylls_salvation]

Nick Jr. Your dad is an old white guy. Put it back in the deck buddy.

[icon_uk]

Which probably makes him better placed than most to make that comment.