Who knew Dick's darkly comical death would lead into such a good scene months down the line? Then again, the Injustice book always seemed to have some really good character moments in spite of its generically grimdark premise. The game was the DC fighter I always wanted, so hopefully this series gets enough recognition to spawn a sequel. From a story perspective, I never really saw the heel-turned Injustice-verse heroes as anything beyond punching bags for the real heroes, so a book based on that universe never appealed to me.
The split between Bruce and Dick is something that always happens, regardless of the universe, but they rarely say what it was. They did in B:TAS, but that was it. Even KINGDOM COME was vague. Bruce says "He and I never did see eye to eye on everything" without saying WHAT it was Dick and Bruce would disagree on.
I haven't read the comics where he originally became Nightwing (supposedly he was fired?), but I agree with your assessment of Batman: the Animate Series and Kingdom Come. While I can see why people are drawn to it given the differences between the two characters, it's a very weak story beat unless you have a strong reason establishing what those differences are.
At first it was that Richard had grown up and out of being just the kid in the green, red and yellow tights, that he had made his own name and needed his own identity as he stepped into the adult world. Inspired by the Kryptonian legend shared by his pal Superman, and honoring the lifetime of training and encouragement his foster father had given him he chose the name Nightwing and went on to battle the evils of the world.
Then it came time to change stuff to make things fit together. Batman was in one kf his jerk phases, I believe, so the split was the result of a simple disagreement between the two revealing that Richard and Bruce could no longer work together like they once had. Inspired by the Kryptonian legend shared by his pal Superman etc...
Then it came time to change stuff AGAIN. This round Batman and Robin got to shouting, Batman threw him out, and Robin had to go find his own identity, inspired by the Kryptonian legend etc...
That is how I recall it going down. icon_UK did a series on that subject a while ago, as it happens, so you can check his posts on that score if you want greater accuracy and less glibness.
icon_UK did a series on that subject a while ago, as it happens, so you can check his posts on that score if you want greater accuracy and less glibness.
I did find the idea of Poison Ivy taking on Swamp Thing to be an interesting match up in this issue. Not too happy about the outcome of Huntress against WonderWoman though..
I find this sweet and all, but the last part is kind of ruined because in the game proper, Bruce outright says to Damian, "You're not my son. You just killed him."
So clearly he either ignores Dick's advice entirely or he gives up on Damian again sometime between here and the start of the game.
It probably doesn't help that Damian not only stays on the side of Superman's Regime. Off the top of my head they've already killed Dick, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Harvey Bullock, Detective Chimp, Huntress, Ragman, Jason Blood, Klarion, Deadman, John and Guy and so many of the Green Lanterns.
Plus he grows his hair out, starts wearing Dick's costume and calling himself Nightwing. Kinda in bad taste.
Wait, has Dick been doing the Deadman shtick befor this? Or did he just now pop up as a ghost? I haven't been following this, mainly for budgetary reasons, but now I'm curious.
Seriously is there any universe (outside of the ones they have to themselves) where Billy Batson and the rest of the Marvels aren't treated as jokes/chumps by other heroes? Any?
Even in the DCnU with Billy Bratson we're supposed to laugh AT HIM in his infantile "I'm a little kid who makes little kid allusions in a grown up body" rather than with him.
Theirs the Multiversity version which pretty much confirms my belief that Captain Marvel and his whole mythos would be better off segregated away from the DC universe entirely.
That's why I said outside of their own universe (where they are the main heroes) ala Mutiversity. Even with heroes of a much lower caliber and power grade than the Marvels - think of Billy in the JLI, Freddy in TT, or Mary's role in I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League minis - they are still treated as the butt of jokes by other heroes even when it made no sense (during Billy's tenure with JLI he was probably the most powerful and - in-universe -famous member). For no reason other than the writers themselves think of the Marvels as jokes.
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Date: 2015-02-17 09:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-02-17 09:50 pm (UTC)The game was the DC fighter I always wanted,
so hopefully this series gets enough recognition to spawn a sequel.
From a story perspective, I never really saw the heel-turned Injustice-verse heroes as anything beyond punching bags for the real heroes, so a book based on that universe never appealed to me.
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Date: 2015-02-17 11:38 pm (UTC)Heh, Tom Taylor should put that in his CV. Although I think Buccellato wrote this one. No idea if he tapped Taylor for story consultation.
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Date: 2015-02-17 11:19 pm (UTC)Then it came time to change stuff to make things fit together. Batman was in one kf his jerk phases, I believe, so the split was the result of a simple disagreement between the two revealing that Richard and Bruce could no longer work together like they once had. Inspired by the Kryptonian legend shared by his pal Superman etc...
Then it came time to change stuff AGAIN. This round Batman and Robin got to shouting, Batman threw him out, and Robin had to go find his own identity, inspired by the Kryptonian legend etc...
That is how I recall it going down. icon_UK did a series on that subject a while ago, as it happens, so you can check his posts on that score if you want greater accuracy and less glibness.
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Date: 2015-02-17 11:28 pm (UTC)Handy links!
Pre-Crisis:
Dick quits the Titans
Dick quits being Robin
Dick becomes Nightwing
Post-Crisis:
Dick is fired from being Robin because Batman is concerned for his safety
Nightwing Year One, where Batman fires Dick because he's a jerk
DCAU:
Dick quits being Robin because Batman's a jerk
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Date: 2015-02-18 12:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-02-18 03:05 am (UTC)Of course we still need to know exactly WHAT Bruce and Dick disagree on, aside from "I can't be Robin anymore."
Pre-Crisis did it best.
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Date: 2015-02-17 11:27 pm (UTC)Like explosions happening behind protagonists walking away from a scene without turning their heads or scaring.
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Date: 2015-02-17 11:33 pm (UTC)Oh god, I puked a little in my mouth. Sorry.
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Date: 2015-02-18 12:05 am (UTC)Get off my lawn!
Damn kids, bringing down the property values.
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Date: 2015-02-18 02:03 am (UTC)So clearly he either ignores Dick's advice entirely or he gives up on Damian again sometime between here and the start of the game.
Damian kills Dick when he's 13 in the comic...
Date: 2015-02-18 03:12 am (UTC)Re: Damian kills Dick when he's 13 in the comic...
Date: 2015-02-18 04:32 am (UTC)Sorry for the confusion.
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Date: 2015-02-18 06:04 am (UTC)Plus he grows his hair out, starts wearing Dick's costume and calling himself Nightwing. Kinda in bad taste.
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Date: 2015-02-18 03:13 am (UTC)That's some amusing panel composition.
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Date: 2015-02-18 05:27 pm (UTC)Even in the DCnU with Billy Bratson we're supposed to laugh AT HIM in his infantile "I'm a little kid who makes little kid allusions in a grown up body" rather than with him.
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