Avengers #0

[laughing_tree]

Avengers come in many different flavors in the All-New All-Different Marvel Now...





"Eidetic," by Mark Waid and Mahmud Asrar:













"Everything is New," by Al Ewing and Gerardo Sandoval:







"The Night That Hell Froze Over," by Gerry Duggan and Ryan Stegman:







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"The Opposite of Kicking," by Al Ewing and Kenneth Rocafort:

Comments

[thezmage]

So who's Lisa? And why can she dance a portal closed?

[silverhammerman]

I think she's just a random love interest, the idea seems to be that since Chavez just needs to think a simple happy thought and step down to close a small portal, closing a bigger one requires more happiness and more stepping. Hence: teleconferenced dancing with someone whom she likes fulfills that nicely.

[informationgeek]

I've been mostly letdown by Marvel's relaunch, even the stuff I thought I would like. However, for the love of God, please let The Ultimates be good! Such a good creative team on this one (let this one be the one the Ewing knocks out the park).

[silverhammerman]

Didn't Vision do the whole "all the memories, none of the emotions" thing once already, back when he was colored white?

The last page with America Chavez makes me roll my eyes just a little, but I'm hoping that the dancing pages indicate Ewing is going to be taking a more nuanced approach to the character. I'd like to see America out of her depth for once, or at least emoting something other than "grumpy, blase badass" as I find her character to be in danger of becoming a little one note.

These pages also make me a lot more interested in Squadron Supreme up to now, though I'm still not altogether confident in James Robinson.

[baihu]

That time, it was not his decision and was because the government didn't put him back together right. Also Wonder Man suddenly turned douche and refused to let his brain imprint be remapped to Vision to fix him (which would be understandable...if previous stories hadn't made it clear Simon treats Vision like a twin brother, and even introduced him to his/their mom. Chalk it up to Byrne not caring about previous stories and pretty much doing the author's version of Die For My Ship to Vision to push Wanda and Simon together.)

This time though, his decision. Understandable reasoning, but I do question the wisdom in doing that to Wanda considering how traumatic the first this 'emotion wipe' thing happened was for her. Also in general it's pretty much a bad idea to make her upset. You'd think of all people, Vision would know this very well since Disassembled.

Anyway I give him a year and half-ish, before he's back on the Wanda wagon. It's the same pattern that's been going on for 20 years. He always gets back on the bloody wagon because character development, what character development!

Also considering what his solo's about, I'm hazarding a guess the emotion-wipe thing failed. Again.

[flint_marko]

He didn't wipe his ability to experience emotions, he wiped all the emotions from his previous memories.

[baihu]

Arguably leaving in the ability to re-buildup that same problem as before doesn't make sense. I don't know, if his plan was like some kind of emotion-purge every decade or so, he could probably had said it straight-up.

As it is, it looks like a brute-force solution that cures the symptoms but not the actual cause.

And pretty much leaving him with the ability to feel emotions means it's probably a given we will be back on the Wanda-wagon then. It's like this little fail-safe the writers give themselves so they can write him back into a corner whenever, otherwise they could just do a flat-out memory-wipe and/or emotion-off solution.

[flint_marko]

In the 'previously' page for the first Vision issue, it says "the consequences of this action have yet to be fully realized..."

[cainofdreaming]

Deadpool as an Avenger? Oh Steve, you've gone totally bonkers haven't you?

I think Deadpool is funding them...

[7dialsmystery]

...or something. They have no respect for him but they have to have him on the team.

Re: I think Deadpool is funding them...

[aperturedreams]

Deadpool didn't start making money and being able to fund them until he was already on the team. Hard to tell with the timeskip though.

[long_silence]

He put Deadpool on the same team as Spider-Man and Johnny Storm

It's like he's deliberating trying to annoy villains with their jokes

[bizarrohulk]

In Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, if you put those three on a team with Iceman, their team name is "Shut Up Already!"

[thatnickguy]

Hey, he punched out Hitler. He can handle Deadpool.

(Bonus points for those who get this reference.)

[astrakhan42]

There's an arc of Deadpool's title called "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" that sees him team up with Cap and Wolverine to take down one of Weapon X's doctors. It's one of the best Deadpool stories I've ever read and it built up trust between the three of them. After Wolverine died, Cap (now old) and Wade went back to get some of Logan's blood samples, which in retrospect might be what's healing Rogue from the Inhuman plague.

[super_fly]

Thanks, Obama.

[thanekos]

Mark Waid, redirecting characters by having them go " Those rote beats I've been hitting for the last ever? Yeah, not doing that anymore. "

[freezer]

Can I just say these scans alone make me sick of Wonder Xena there? "These people might be trouble down the line." "Let's kill them!"

[thezmage]

If murder isn't working, you're not using enough of it

[qalchemist]

Which Squadron is this?

And I take it this is suggesting that Hyperion has been playing a long con?

[freezer]

I assume from Wonder Xena's bloodlust that this is the Squadron from Ultimate Power.

I also assume that they're trying to establish the Squadron as ANAD Marvel's Thunderbolts.

[akodo_rokku]

This is a new Squadron, all made of people whose worlds died in the Incursions. Nighthawk is from Supreme Power, I think Zarda is from the Squadron Sinister, and Blur from the New Universe is the resident speedster.

I don't think Hyperion's been playing a long con, he's just aligned with this group by their common loss.

[astrakhan42]

History (and Gruenwald) has shown that Hyperion can cause all sorts of havoc with the best of intentions.

Nighthawk, on the other hand, is basically Shadowhawk now. I don't mind since Image doesn't seem to be interesting in publishing an actual Shadowhawk title, plus David Walker is going to be writing the solo book.

[tigerkaya]

I see Hyperion is back to being another in a long line of evil Superman knockoffs, shame. New rule every time a Hyperion comes to the 616 never hesitate to kill the bastard.

[thehood]

He's not evil. Not this version of Hyperion. Anti-Heroic maybe, but not evil.

[jekylls_salvation]

I don't care about any of this, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. I want to, I think. Has Marvel somehow simultaneously rolled out half a dozen bad Avengers teams? I feel like if you threw 40 Marvel characters and 6 writers in to a random team generator you could usually come out with SOMETHING good

[baihu]

Marvel's pretty much throwing anything and everything and seeing what sticks after the first 'season' as they call it, though I suspect underperforming titles might cancel mid-season who knows.

At this point, I admit I've been disappointed by a couple of my 'must-haves'. New Avengers didn't start as strongly as I hoped, what with the team line-up I really like and Ewing at the helm. #2's been better, but it has a ways to go.

I'm still waiting on Ultimates, maybe Ewing's bringing his A-game there more (he's on 3 titles, quality's going to dip somewhere).

I think keeping an open mind is the biggest key here. There's still teething problems across the board and for some titles, no one really knows what to expect. I think a better indicator is at least by the #2 of several series, if not waiting till at least the 'mid-season' to see the larger picture that ANAD Marvel's in.

[deh_tommy]

I'm probably one of the only people who actually misses Vision and Scarlet Witch being married. Then again, I don't like and am too easily saddened seeing divorce, so I presume my opinion is invalid.

[baihu]

I just think it was really shitty that it was because Byrne had his own agenda that he derailed them, plus everyone else in West Coast Avengers, basically warping them into characters he preferred. It wasn't a natural progression.

But after 20 years of back and forth with them, all the associated drama, it's just not worth it at this point. Any time either of them gets some significant character development, Marvel uses their past relationship to drag them back into a 'will they won't they' situation. I mean, in Avengers AI, Vision's finally proactive and gets character development!

And then Uncanny Avengers happens and he gets dragged back onto the Wanda wagon, because of course he does.

At least Wanda seems way healthier now and is clearly moved on.

And in the MCU, it seems a given they're going to be a thing. Hopefully, MCU won't mess them up quite as epically as the comics.

[starwolf_oakley]

Busiek and Perez covered some of Wanda and Vision in their AVENGERS run. The Vision got his memories back *and* the emotional connection to them. Because Artificial Intelligence is weird in the Marvel Universe.

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/5322239.html#cutid1

In the present, this is the Vision deciding "I'll do to myself what Rogue accidentally did to Carol Danvers so I won't want to lie down and die every time I see Wanda."

[baihu]

20 years of accumulated drama. Oof, yeah I get why he'd want to just wipe all that out, at least for now.

Englehart also had this one sad set of panels in Celestial Quest where Vision was talking about how he only for the emotion connection to the memories of the twins recently, but by then Wanda had already grieved and gotten over it, but he of course hadn't. So he was silently grieving all that time and couldn't even talk to Wanda about it because they were already split, and he didn't want to bring up that bad memory again to her.

Rest of that comic was pretty shitty though. We so did not need to return to Mantis and that Celestial Madonna plot thread.

Vision basically has no coping mechanism short of 'scorched earth' when it comes to memories and emotions I Guess.

Btw, I just read Vision #1, very intriguing. It's going in a very different direction from pretty much everything else in ANAD. And quite clearly Vision still has problems, but it's played up damn creepily and well!

[lbd_nytetrayn]

So... how long before everything we see here is "shaken up"?