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Four pages from chapter 42 (the latest one).



So it turns out in this verse when Harley met the Joker he was a criminal with a sense of humor, but relatively psychologically stable. They "robbed from the rich, and gave to whoever," but eventually Mistah J started drinking more and more, adding ethanol into the mix, and apparently made a pact with a vampire out in the bayou... he became more cruel, and Harley left him.

Now she and Ivy are breaking into the Joker's Daughter's Cabaret.





"Master? Come on lady-- it's 1941!"



Date: 2016-05-09 06:15 am (UTC)
kamino_neko: Kamino Neko thought a kissy icon was needed. (Smooch)
From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
*is amused that that appears to be lilies Ivy's making sprout*

Date: 2016-05-09 07:05 am (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Wow, I think I might have missed this. Was this before the Battle of Britain arc?

Date: 2016-05-09 07:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
You totes did. But we're totes cool. Heh.

Date: 2016-05-09 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kalanyr
It feels weird seeing Harley and Ivy being portrayed fairly positively since it's been less than half a decade since Ivy was viciously murdering innocent people to feed to plants. Though that seemed to be because the writer in question was less than happy with the more sympathetic portrayal Ivy was getting at the time. Which is an ongoing thing that makes everything the more sympathetic Bat-Rogues do seem wildly inconstent since depending on the writer you get everything from Anti-Hero to Complete Monster for the same character.

Date: 2016-05-09 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] shadur
I'm perfectly okay with overlooking some inconsistent bad writing by former writers with a grudge for the characters if it means I can read more positive and adorable scenes like this one.

Date: 2016-05-09 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kalanyr

I don't disagree with you. I just think that characterization is one of those things that editorial really needs to monitor far more closely than they do (especially for the bigger name or pushed characters). And if a writer likes a more / less sympathetic version of a character than is currently in play and editorial okays the change there should be some logical progression to that point rather than snapback or sudden onset conscience / insanity.

I mean it must be positively bizarre for someone coming from some of the far more positive portrayals if say Harley in the all ages / more female focused comics into even her current portrayal let alone her classic one. And Ivy's even worse (since while Harlequinn was often murderous she's generally far less personally malevolent).

For another example I just read the Robin War trade and the surrounding Robin War issues and the thing is an incoherent mess. It's not even consistent on which other Robin Jason loathes more between writers (one had him loathing Tim the least and another the most). And further more We Are Robin continues as if they'd decided to no longer be Robin but Robin War ended on them getting promised more training at a latter time. It's like everyone got given a 3 sentence summary of the plot, the characters involved and a handful of key locations and events and then went off and did their own thing. And that was a Bat-Family crossover inside a theoretically unified editorial department that they knew was going to end up in a TPB.

Date: 2016-05-09 12:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redmagpie
I mean to be fair this is an AU Ivy.

Date: 2016-05-09 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kalanyr
Yeah, I know. It's just that DCs AU's largely reflect the character's fundamental canon personality (unless a difference in the character is a fundamental point of the AU).

Date: 2016-05-09 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kalanyr
Thanks for the run down.

I normally only follow the Bat-Familty stuff + Bat-associated Teams (so usually JLA and Titans) and I've been out since around Final Crisis but I'm going to give Rebirth a shot. I feel like I should give some of these comics a try too.

Date: 2016-05-09 04:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
So much word.

Date: 2016-05-09 12:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redmagpie
Has the Harley comic done anything more... relationship-y with their relationship? I mean I know that they said they were girlfriends on twitter but in the actual comic they seem (from what I've seen) to do a weird dance around outright stating that they're romantic. Like they'll kiss but then Ivy will say it's because Harley's drunk or whatever.

Date: 2016-05-09 03:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
They're non-monogamous LDR, if i remember right. Which I wish they could've explored more on the basic form of the relationship first to truly cement the concept, but them's the breaks. Still the happiest couple DC has right now.

Date: 2016-05-09 06:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redmagpie
Yeah, they are, which is awesome for them. But from what I've seen it does seem to be sort of side stepping a bit? I could be wrong.

Date: 2016-05-09 11:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
You're not wrong- they kind of are, yes. I don't remember them addressing/verbally acknowledging the relationship directly, but only because I'm missing the first of half of my copies.

They've gone on multiple date nights and all that, but a lot of that could be construed as friend stuff, which is why I said they should've explored the basic concept first.

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