A-Force #8

[superboyprime]

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[shadowpsykie]

Wait... Did Nico leave AForce? Or is this "I betrayed my friends under mind control I therefore don't to be their friend"

[locuatico]

Ulysses had a vision in which Nico killed a person named "Alice". Carol tried to play it off as it probably being amisunderstanding... but then Dazzler tells Nico the truth that Carol wanted to arrest her.

Carol told Nico to trust her, that Nico would be safe while she solved this mess but that pissed Nico even more because her experience as a Runaway had involved people she trusted betraying her and killing her friends. so she ran away.

[burkeonthesly]

Wow, someone's being written in-character for this event? I'm kind of impressed.

[shadowpsykie]

Goddamnit carol

[silicondream]

Seems like Ulysses is constantly predicting that superheroes will kill people these days. Bruce Banner, Wolverine, Nico.

If I were Carol, I'd be wondering about the pattern there. I mean, even if Ulysses is reliable, that seems like a very problematic trend...

[thehood]

It also started after Iron Man kidnapped him. So you gotta wonder if there's some bias involved.

[beyondthefringe]

I don't remember Elsa ever having lost a hand... unless that was something established in the Secret Wars series and kept over when they remade the universe.

Also, it is so disconcerting to see how much she's changed since her initial miniseries and how much of it was Warren Ellis' fault.

[thehood]

That's true for all of them, except for Monica Rambeau.

Though it's not really a bad thing for Elsa, since that's where most people know her from these days.

[long_silence]

The Marvel Zombies mini during Secret Wars starred Elsa and the main villain was a version of her father who was collecting all of the Bloodstone gems from different iterations of Elsa and even Cullen from around Battleworld

She lost a hand fighting him but was able to build a new one out of some of the Bloodstones she stole from him.

[mrstatham]

Not really Ellis/Immonen's fault; the series was never intended to be in-continuity. Marvel just piggybacked the series' popularity with all the characters involved, even though they were doing things that didn't work in continuity in the slightest.

Also, really? The initial mini's take was a bland Not!Buffy who really had no purpose beyond cashing in on a certain series at a specific time; I don't think anything of value was lost there.

[bruinsfan]

At least Al Ewing managed to work things so that the characters actually experienced all those stories even though they were patently at odds with the Marvel Universe's reality.

[hybrid2]

Whut?
Elsa never met her dad.
And she's not much older that Nico.
WTH?

[onsokumaru]

The Beyond Corp messed with her memories... or maybe changed her past.

[lieut_kettch]

She never met her dad? Then who trained her to fight the Blight Beast of Krakow and the Hideous Felch-Monster of Bihar Province?

[thehood]

She did meet her dad, we'very seen flashbacks of him training her.

And Elsa is an adult.

[hybrid2]

The Bloodstone mini-serie was only 2 years before the Runnaways one.
She was around the same age as them.

And she had no training until moving in her dad's house after he died.
And Adam(Frankeinstein monster) gave her the bloodstone.

[thehood]

That's no longer canon and i don't think most people remember the Bloodstone miniseries. For the best, since she came off as a Buffy clone in that book.

It has since been established that she is an adult, she's certainly old enough to drink, and that her father did train her and that he was a dick to her and her brother.

[mrstatham]

This. For all intents and purposes, as much as the creators never intended it, Marvel basically sellotaped 'NEXTWAVE' over the existing characters once it proved popular.

[laughing_tree]

Are we sure Ellis and Immonen intended Nextwave to be out of continuity? I can't imagine Ellis caring one way or the other about 'canon'.

[mrstatham]

Except Ellis typically works totally fine in canon, and I think he and Immonen had zero intention of slotting a Captain America telling Monica to 'go home and make his dinner' or 'supervillain Devil Dinosaur' into canon. And no, interviews around the time confirmed they didn't want it in the Marvel Universe fully, from what I remember seeing, and then Marvel editorial basically took it and used it, despite that not being the intent at all. It caused a headache in some of the handbooks that came out around the same time, simply because a lot of fans thought it hadn't been canon.

[thehood]

Interestingly, this hasn't affected Monica. Besides still wearing the jacket over her costume i guess.

[stolisomancer]

Apparently some of the events of the Marvel Zombies series from Secret Wars are now canon.