Ms. Marvel #9

[superboyprime]

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[owlbrigade1]

I know I shouldn't, but as I read the 3rd last panel all I can think is: Thank god someone noticed the uniforms.

[junipepper]

Yeah, they're real subtle, aren't they?

[cainofdreaming]

Carol if your pet predictor can't even foresee the Hitler-Jugend rising up on your own doorstep it might be a time to send him back and ask for a replacement.

[scorntx]

Hey, c'mon! Just because they're arresting people for stuff they haven't done, and wearing uniforms that just happen to look like Hitler Youth outfits doesn't meant they are.
Look, their armbands don't have a symbol. If they were the "bad guys", they'd have some evil looking symbol, like a skull or a rat's anus or something...

[nyadnar17]

How is this legal? I no its Marvel but Wilson Fisk is out there laughing it up while rich white kids and foreign nationals are being detained with no layer? How?

[hotfoot]

It seems to be heavily implied that it's not legal, that the entire thing is an abuse of authority. The cadets talk about how if the press comes sniffing around or if they bring the police into the loop, the whole thing will end poorly.

Of course, this entire event just seems built towards that. This whole thing is kind of making my skin crawl, and it seems to be making Carol Danvers into a jackass before her movie even comes out.

[atom_punk]

Oh yeah, this isn't clumsy and heavy-handed at ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL...

[scorntx]

Sorry, what? I can't hear you! Someone just hit me over the head with an anvil.
An anvil!
Sorry? It's hard to focus right now. I think I got hit with an anvil...
Well, it felt like an anvil.

[scorntx]

How exactly is it during the costume design process did these kids not catch on?

"Hmm, armband, peaked cap, knee high boots, no khaki for the rest of the uniform so we'll have to go with something else, but otherwise it's all good. Yup, everything's fine with this outfit. Yessir!"

Also: This Becky person seems like the sort of being who should never have been entrusted with the slightest amount of responsibility for anything ever.

[hotfoot]

They did Nazi that coming, no one ever does. They just started Goering down the wrong path, and before too long it just Goebbels up their entire life.

[mizerous]

This is gonna end just like Minority Report...

[chrisdv]

...With a crappy video game tie-in?

Yeah, I never watched that movie.

[minervasolo]

It's going to change the way we interact with touch screen technology?

[starwolf_oakley]

I have an idea. Let's mix "Minority Report" with the Stanford Prison Experiment! Only the students will be high school students instead of college or grad school students.

"Some teachers and students try their own version of the Stanford Prison Experiment and someone dies" was done on Bones, Castle and Inspector Lewis. Probably also some other police procedural shows as well.

[locuatico]

actually there is a movie about the experiment done with high schoolers made in germany. It's called "the wave". It's... good but i scratch my head at the very last shot.

[erikred]

To be fair, "and someone dies" is written into the DNA of shows like Bones, Castle, and Inspector Lewis. No body, not much of an episode.

Glad I wasn't the only one to catch the Stanford Prison Experiment vibe. I think the writers aren't trying to be at all subtle here; the OTT-ness of it all is kinda the point.

That said, that's some amazing introspection and honest talk between Zoe and Josh. Nicely done.

[balbanes]

Zoe has a thing for Nakia?

Holy crap. That makes total sense. Aaaall that pigtail pulling in the earlier issues. I even remember thinking that Zoe was an improbable stock "H.S. popular girl" character. An actual queen bee would socialize within her own clique and shun Kamala's friends, not regularly seek them out for tormenting. Should have trusted the writers.

[lissa_quon]

That's interesting. See sadly I'm more interested in THAT particular development than whatever the hell is going on with Minority Report.

[tcampbell1000]

I think a lot of the commentary here misses the fact that Ms. Marvel is something of a YA series. YA is a lot more willing to take on "adult" concepts than it used to be, but young readers are not as likely to roll their eyes at the oh-so-obvious symbols they've read a thousand times before, because they haven't. And frankly, if modern politics are any indication, even grownups miss what should be some pretty clear parallels with fascism and Nazism more often than they should.

[dragontail]

Seconded. My daughter reads and loves this series. These are all new tropes to her, prompting her to think and ask me questions about politics, liberty, legality and the like. Ham-fisted though it may be for us, it's doing its job when it comes to those who are its target audience.

[laughing_tree]

You could use that argument for 90% of Marvel's line, really. When it comes to comics, a lot of people equate YA with "light and fluffy" for some reason, so they don't see grim works like the main Civil War II as YA, but if you look at prose YA, plenty of it is exceedingly grim. I'd say most Marvel books are written with teens in mind, even if that's not always the majority audience. The fact that they censor the swearing (which actually makes it *lower level* than much prose YA, which will sometimes use four-letter words) says it all, really.

[lieut_kettch]

So exactly how is Marvel Studios going to promote Carol as it's premiere female superhero with her own solo movie if the promotional material (i.e., the comics) portrays her as a fascist asshole?

[donnblake]

I was going to post 'I don't know, MCU Loki seems pretty popular." And then I got to thinking about whether one could make a case for him being a fascist, which got me into a larger train of thought about the ways 'fascist' gets used today, so I'm just going to put this out there.

Fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascist.

[silverhammerman]

I don't think it'll be that much of an issue for mainstream audiences. Civil War II has already completely missed the chance to capitalize on the Civil War movie release with a TPB, so it's not like anyone's actually going to read the stupid thing. It may take a while to make her likable again in the comics, but really, the comics don't matter much to the MCU outside of providing loose source material.

So stere's no need to worry; Marvel is too incompetent to actually damage Captain Marvel with mainstream audiences, and comics as a medium are dying/irrelevant anyway, so none of it matters!

[thehood]

The film is still ways off though.