Civil War #6-7
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When it comes to the actual battles that the characters in “Civil War” will be fighting, readers shouldn’t expect the anti-registration side to just be reactive in fighting for their cause. “They will be a combination of both reactive and proactive,” Millar explained. “I didn’t want to just have these guys in, say, like a terrorist cell or anything because fundamentally Cap’s guys are superheroes. So, the rationale for the Marvel Universe shouldn’t be that they’re just underground guys who are constantly fighting the forces of the status quo. They’ve got to be superheroes. They’ve got to go out and actually fight super villains and, unfortunately, SHIELD and the other superheroes are after them when they’re doing so. It’s an added tension to the whole thing.”
“Civil War” is a conflict between the heroes of the Marvel Universe, but the villains do a play a role in the series. Millar is keeping their part in the story a secret, but he did reveal that he would be touching on an idea from his “Marvel Knights Spider-Man” run in which a secret cabal of industrialists conspired to create many of the costumed villains in the Marvel Universe. “There’s some stuff going on with the villains about half way through the book, but really the main focus of the series is the split between the heroes and the other stuff is just really seasoning.”
The split between the heroes is over the superhuman registration act, which mandates that anyone who puts on a costume and goes out to try and enforce the law must register with and become an agent of the federal government. Heroes who violate the law will find themselves imprisoned in newly redesigned secretive superhuman penitentiaries. “That’s actually quite a big plot point,” Millar stated. “There’s a whole new way of storing super villains and heroes who refuse to sign. It’s quite a big deal. We’re really updating the Marvel Universe in a lot of ways.”
“Civil War” will also address how countries around the world view the US government’s new policy on super humans. Some of the fictional Marvel countries that don’t exactly see eye to eye with the US, like Wakanda, Latveria, Atlantis, and Providence, might even become embroiled in the events of the story. “Some will be involved quite a bit and others will remain neutral and others might come in at a later stage,” Millar explained. “That’s part of the meat of the story really.”
The various countries of the Marvel Universe will have different degrees of participation in “Civil War,” but the globe spanning organization SHIELD will play a definite part in the mega-story. “SHIELD’s new boss Maria Hill isn’t quite as cozy with the superheroes as Nick Fury was,” Millar stated. “So, that works very well within the scenario. It would have been a lot harder to do this if Nick, who is very pro-superhero, was in charge because he would have been probably against the registration act, whereas, Maria Hill made the story a whole lot easier for that.” - from a Comic Book Resources Article
Story By: Mark Millar
Art By: Steve McNiven
Civil War #6....
Oh hi Cassie Lang, what are you doing here? Did you say a few issues ago in #4?
Guess you changed your mind or something... or bad writing. Could be that.
Then we wrap with Civil War #7. Long story short. fightfightToNewYorkCityfightfightfightfight
Johnny Storm: Cap, what are you doing? They'll throw us in jail if you surrender.
Spider-Man: We were beating them, man. We were winning back there.
Captain America: Everything except the argument. And they're not arresting Captain America... they're arresting Steve Rogers. That's a very different thing.
Falcon: Cap, please!
Captain America: Stand down troops... that's an order.
And then this letter from Reed Richards:
My dear, sweet Susan:
Forgive my erratic handwriting. You know how difficult I find slowing my thoughts to a speed where the human hand can translate my sentiments into linear sentences. It has been two weeks now since that terrible battle and I was pleased to see that you accepted the general hero amnesty given in the wake of Captain America's surrender.
Of course, it would be a lie to suggest that everyone is happy with our new arrangement. Some have moved to Canada in the hope of a more OLD-SCHOOL career... while a small band of Cap's followers remain radicalized in the Underground Movement. Not to mention Captain America himself...
But on the whole our experiment has been an enormous success. What once seemed like our darkest hour has been transformed into our great opportunity. Working with the government, our remit has moved beyond simply law and order and we're now tackling everything from the environment to global poverty...
...Tony in particular. Can you believe the new job the president has handed him?
But the opinion polls and Utopian ideals mean nothing unless you're here besides me, my darling. I promise: NO MORE TRAPS, NO MORE CLONES. None of those painful things we had to do on that path to respectability.
No matter what we achieve in this NEW AMERICA we're trying to create... it can never be heaven unless you're here too. Please, please, PLEASE come back to the family who need you more than oxygen.
Iron Man: That's a promise.
THE END
....what a load of crap. What did you think?
Tags:
- char: captain america/steve rogers,
- char: hercules/marvel,
- char: invisible woman/susan storm,
- char: iron man/tony stark,
- char: maria hill,
- char: mr. fantastic/reed richards,
- char: punisher/frank castle,
- char: spider-man/peter parker,
- char: stature/cassie lang,
- char: taskmaster,
- creator: mark millar,
- creator: steve mcniven,
- event: civil war,
- publisher: marvel comics
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Date: 2017-01-10 05:49 pm (UTC)I can't find it now but there's a manip out there where someone swapped the ending of 'Wanted' with the final pages here with Tony's face on the last panel going "This is my face while fucking you in the ass."
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:11 pm (UTC)And Marvel's been pretty much doing that to fans since Disassembled.
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Date: 2017-01-10 05:50 pm (UTC)Reed's an arsehole.
Dude, don't make snarky remarks about a man being murdered by your murderbot while you're actually working on the freaking murderbot!
Tony's an arsehole.
Miriam Sharpe's a total arsehole.
-"My big idea"-
See, if Miriam Sharpe had been written as a mother looking for some sense of closure, or justice for what happened to her son, whose idea was co-opted by self-serving people to dump on all superheroes rather than actually prevent further senseless tragedies, that would've been one thing, but this...
So her immediate reaction to her son being fried to a crisp was "hey, we should force all the heroes to work for the government, and throw any who don't want to into jail forever and ever with no chance of release. That'll solve my grief! Ahaha! AHAHAHAHA!!!"
Argh...
The Tigra moment is just... it completely lacks any impact, since she hadn't even done anything all through the event.
She could've been replaced with a cushion for all the effect she has on the plot.
-"Doctor Pym's been drugged and unconscious since I knocked him out and replaced him back in Arizona this morning"-
"He turned this weird shade of green, afterwards, by the way. Just letting you know."
But seriously, Mark Millar has a real problem with natural-sounding dialogue, and that right there? Big example. Who talks like that?
-"I'm Hulking, the Young Avenger's resident shape-changer"-
... yes, we know who you are.
Also, seems kind of staggeringly dumb in a world where Mystique exists to not have security systems that are shapeshifter-proof.
And surely even shapeshifting wouldn't hide all the physical traits and habits a person has, especially if you're asking someone like Hulkling to fill in for him?
"Man, Hank Pym sure sounds weird today. I'd swear he never used slang like that before. Did he get killed and replaced by a teenaged version of himself and no-one told me? Ah, screw it, I need coffee."
The last issue is just terrible. It's all terrible.
I mean, I can get the Marvel public being totally okay with superheroes tossing other people into another dimension with no parole or rights because... they're arseholes, but it's still wall-punchingly aggravating.
Argh.
(Also, curses upon MightyGodKing and their parody for that Monica panel. Can't unsee her telling folks to buy Nextwave.)
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:24 pm (UTC)To be fair to Mark Millar (and this is coming from a guy who think he's a hack), he's not the only one who seems to think being able to change shape immediately makes somebody the ultimate actor. In the television show Deep Space Nine Doctor Bashir is replaced by a changeling and it makes no sense because the changeling doesn't have eight years medical experience.
It's bad writing yeah, but everybody seems guilty of it. :/
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:29 pm (UTC)(And in fairness to the Changeling, they did slip up occasionally, just no-one noticed because the slip ups made them look like a prat... and they were replacing Julian Bashir. So naturally, no-one noticed / cared.)
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Date: 2017-01-10 09:02 pm (UTC)Oh snap. :D
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Date: 2017-01-10 05:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 06:06 pm (UTC)(More so than usual, I mean.)
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Date: 2017-01-10 06:22 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:15 pm (UTC)While the trope of two heroes meeting one another, misunderstanding, and fighting is an old and noble one in superhero comics it has never sit 100% right with me from the time I was an actual boy who was a fan rather than the middle-aged fanboy I am now. It seems of late that the trend of Heroes vs. Heroes has become so ingrained in modern superhero fare that fighting the villains seems almost an afterthought. Once Civil War II is over with my fervent hope is that this cliche gets put on the shelf and forgotten about for a good 5-10 years.
Another thing that drives me absolutely nucking futs is this strange desire to shove the square peg of Realism through the round hole of Fantasy. Civilian casualties, collateral damage, prison camps. . .these things feel about as natural in a Superhero narrative as a hippo looks dancing the lambada. Realism in a superhero story should be like salt in a meal, it's meant to provide a hint of seasoning. Use too much and the whole thing becomes an unpalatable mess. Kind of like Millar's CIVIL WAR.
The movie accomplished a lot of what I feel this series was trying to be, but was just so utterly botched by out of character moments, baffling decisions, and the frequent ping-pong of the idiot ball. But hey, we got AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE out of this so it wasn't a complete fustercluck. More like 72% of one.
~StacyHD
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:29 pm (UTC)Sadly we've got Secret Empire coming later this year so it looks like we're going to get Steve Rogers vs. Miles Morales, which was hinted at the end of Civil War II. :(
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 09:00 pm (UTC)That's because Spencer has been carefully and skillfully crafting an interesting story building to a huge payoff. Evil Steve Rogers has been the most compelling villain since, well, Civil War I's Tony Stark.
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Date: 2017-01-11 06:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 07:37 pm (UTC)Ah, that glorious series.
Which began with the U.S. military sending War Machine after a young girl riding around on a puff of cloud, then forcibly conscripting her, and training her to be a sniper (for added horribleness, having Black Widow, Black Widow of all people, wondering why the teenaged girl might be having problems in her sniper training), resulting in her becoming severely emotionally detached.
And which also had other teenagers being conscripted, treated like actual military recruits, drilled by a man who routinely used a group of dead superheroes as a pejorative.
All this overseen by Henry Gyrich, who covered up the death of a teenager, cloned the teenager, used one clone to dupe said teenager's father into believing everything was fine while using other clones for military experiments, and when it all went wrong and people got killed refused to take any blame for it.
... okay, there are good bits of that series. But there's also a lot that's not.
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 07:56 pm (UTC)That sounds completely dreadful.
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Date: 2017-01-10 08:01 pm (UTC)Like... uh... um...
...
Well, there are good bits, just can't remember them right now!
Oh, there's Sally Floyd versus Gyrich. That is worth a read.
(And how about finishing your AvX thing, while we're on the subject of terrible pain?)
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Date: 2017-01-10 08:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 08:21 pm (UTC)Also, I'll probably get to Avengers Vs. X-Men against at some point.
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Date: 2017-01-11 01:32 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-01-10 10:05 pm (UTC)It gave us some great new characters who really need to make their way back into the limelight.
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Date: 2017-01-10 07:59 pm (UTC)I thought it was clear she was going to register.
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Date: 2017-01-10 08:15 pm (UTC)I want to fight villains, not cops and other super heroes.
So here she is... fighting super heroes again.
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Date: 2017-01-10 08:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 07:59 pm (UTC)"Ugh, I've been in surgery for THIRTY-SIX HOURS. My forearms are RIPPED, science bruh."
"Sorry if my penmanship is a little shaky, Sue, my brain is just TOO HARDCORE FOR HANDWRITING."
"I must have cried A FULL NINETY-THREE MINUTES. I'm still power-crying now. Johnny's trying to bottle it and sell it as a luxury mouthwash."
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Date: 2017-01-11 01:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-10 08:23 pm (UTC)Mind you, I'm very biased because this was my introduction to MARVEL Comics and not just the movies, but still.
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Date: 2017-01-11 02:57 am (UTC)The other problem that I have, and this is more my own criticism, was that the anti-registration heroes chose the stupidest possible way of resisting registration: they formed an armed band to fight back against the pro-registration heroes. How can that strategy work? Let's say Cap doesn't give up at the end and instead his side wins this battle. Then what?
Do they lock up the pro-reg heroes? Where? Do they just sort of hope that the pro-reg heroes and the government just give up? Because otherwise, the government forces are just going to go back to arresting them. So then what? Defeat the government forces and...overthrow the government? Set up a dictatorship? That's the logical next step, after all. (Which also would have been a better reason for Cap to give up.)
The much more effective way to resist registration is to just quit, or go on strike. I thought Powers handled this much more sensibly. Heroes can just walk away. With all the supervillain problems in the Marvel Universe, it would not take long before the government and the public were begging the heroes to come back. (That's one of the reasons why I've always thought that the Marvel public-hates-heroes concept was silly. They would hate them until the heroes quit, and the villains ran rampant.)
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Date: 2017-01-11 03:32 pm (UTC)Except they can't. Okay, there's nothing stopping them from trying, but folks like Steve Rodgers, or Peter Parker just can't stop helping people.
It's their nature (and in Pete's case, partially fuelled by an extreme guilt complex) to want to help and protect others.
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Date: 2017-01-11 11:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-11 03:51 pm (UTC)Remember, Cap's old enough to remember prohibition
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Date: 2017-01-11 07:22 am (UTC)Fuck you, Reed.
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