Wonder Woman #23

[lordultimus]

Comments

[coldfury]

Is that Cassie? Are they actually tying her back into the Wonder Woman mythos?

[lordultimus]

That's Izzy Cale, Veronica Cale's daughter.

Funnily enough, it does end with her going to Themyscira.

[coldfury]

The Wonder Girls just can't have nice things, can they? :/

[thehood]

Izzy Cale isn't a Wonder Girl though.

[locuatico]

Okay, i like this twist. Him being respectful towards Diana and the Cales and even a nice person when not under the influence of the "Hunger of War" seems to represent that men themselves are not the problem but toxic masculinity.

[lordultimus]

Also, the fact that Aphrodite countered this via loving submission.

[tigerkaya]

Wait Veronica Cale, she was a Wonder Woman supporting cast? I thought she was just a one off evil scientist from that 52 mini series.

[lordultimus]

She was introduced as Diana's Lex Luther in Rucka's original run.

[tigerkaya]

Ah how was she? I hope there was depth to her other than being a evil business woman Lex?

As to Rucka's run I'm still reading the Perez to Jimenez run.

[q99]

Nah, she's pretty distinct from Lex.

Also she didn't have *that* big a role in the first run- I mean, she had a significant role but Rucka had longer-term plans when Infinite Crisis happened, he left the book, and took her to 52 instead. There was additionally a 52 spinoff about the Horsemen that came later that starred her.

I'm glad this run is giving Rucka a chance to do more with her.

[tigerkaya]

Interesting thanks for the detail.

[starwolf_oakley]

A few of my posts use the quote "People have wars because that is what people do." It is from the 1994 Star Trek novel "Federation." I've used it in posts about war in "Nth Man" and "Fury." And I've said how that quote bugs me.

"Wars are fought because that is what people do,” Brack said. “Resources are an excuse, nothing more."

Here, "Wars are fought because Ares is cray-cray."

[jlbarnett]

well that's obviously not accurate because wars continued to be fought after he was bound

[bruinsfan]

Ares is the Greek god of War, but he's not fundamentally the concept War itself, in the way that the Endless actually are their concepts. There are dozens of other pantheons with their own war gods.

[commodus]

Considering how many other animals fight among each other all the time, the bloodlust of humans does not seem so special - save for its sheer scope.
Though what I like is the Utopian thinking of the Wonder Woman comics, the idea that people can be better and kinder.
It's nice that not every story has to be cynical and depressing.

[q99]

Mammal with highest murder rate? Meerkats.


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/28/495798448/what-meerkat-murder-tells-us-about-human-violence

They're like constant animal Game of Thrones.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

So why is Superman all war-driven here? ;P

[tigerkaya]

Just be glad it's not Hyperion or is it Injustice Superman. There practically identical.

[cygnia]

Is there a reason why At Peace!Ares looks like Superman?

[miss_abnormal]

Ares was described as physically beautiful in Ancient Greek mythology (I think described by Hesiod and in the Odyssey). Similarities with Superman I assume to be a coincidence.

[ekrolo2]

He looks WAY more like Capullo's Bruce Wayne to me. He's got the same hair.

[janegray]

Ok, I need some help/advice, guys.

I want to buy some of this series. But not all of it, not yet, until I can check at least one TPB to make sure I really like it.

Normally I would of course buy the first one. But, this series did something weird. According to Amazon, Vol 1 collects issues 1 3 5 7 9, whereas Vol 2 collects issues 2 4 6 8 10. Apparently, it's because they tell different stories.

So, which one should I pick? I'd like to hear your opinions and recommendations.

Also, which one leads into the issue posted here?

[locuatico]

Odd numbered issues are set in present time.
Even numbered are set in the past.
Also both of them lead to this, but it would be the odd numbered.

[janegray]

Having to pick one one of them, which one would you suggest?

EDIT: also, does the past/present division continut in later issues?

[locuatico]

I like the even numbered a little more
EDIT: yes, both of them continue this format.
The Even numbered include a number of plot points that are important in this issue.

[janegray]

Thank you :)

[deh_tommy]

"According to Amazon"

Puns aside, the odd numbered issues deal with Wonder Woman in the present following the conclusion of The Darkseid War and her own book, while the even numbered ones are a reimagining of Diana's origin story and beyond.

You don't need to read the even numbered issues to understand the odd ones (though there are certain callbacks and ideas in the present story that make more sense if you read the past story, too), but for chronology's sake (and based on what I've read here) I'd say to start with Volume 2 and work your way from there.

[janegray]

the odd numbered issues deal with Wonder Woman in the present following the conclusion of The Darkseid War and her own book

Wait, I haven't read any of those. Will I be able to understand the story if I read the odd numbered ones without having read the Darkseid War and her own book?

[deh_tommy]

You should be able to. What happened in The Darkseid War is briefly racapped in the Wonder Woman: Rebirth one-shot (which is included in Vol. 1) which, as far as I can remember, never really comes up outside of said issue. You can probably start with the aforemention one-shot, or you can just follow the even numbered volumes and work your way from there (though I think Greg Rucka's relinquishing writing duties, soon).

Basically, all you need to know is that Wonder Woman apparently had a twin brother she remembers nothing of, which causes her to realise that her memories of her time on Paradise Island are inconsistent and constantly changing.

[janegray]

Thank you!

[deh_tommy]

Did they ever explain who those other Gods were from the New 52 runs, or was Wonder Woman just hallucinating the whole thing?