Date: 2017-08-06 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
That's really stiff.

Date: 2017-08-06 12:24 am (UTC)
reveen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reveen
Hmmm, what was the publication date of this comic? *Googles*

1951.

*Checks etymology dictionary*

"boner (n.)
"blunder," 1912, baseball slang, probably from bonehead. Meaning "erect penis" is 1950s, from earlier bone-on (1940s), probably a variation (with connecting notion of "hardness") of hard-on (1893)."

Yep. They knew exactly what they were doing. He back then it was probably downright Garth Ennis level edgy.

Also notice how every object he directly refers to as a boner is phallic...
Edited Date: 2017-08-06 12:30 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-06 12:41 am (UTC)
ironymaiden: (fornication)
From: [personal profile] ironymaiden
that's delightful. thanks for doing the research.

Date: 2017-08-06 01:18 am (UTC)
lb_lee: The Blue Beetle, Ted Kord, doubled over laughing. From Justice League International #7 (bwa-hah-ha)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
You are the hero Scans_Daily has always needed.

Date: 2017-08-06 01:44 am (UTC)
sarahnewlin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
You are very perceptive :)

Date: 2017-08-06 12:35 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Still the Joker's greatest moment. That, and the time he stole that kid's report card.
Edited Date: 2017-08-06 12:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-06 01:44 am (UTC)
sarahnewlin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
What our community was built on

Date: 2017-08-06 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
In-jokes aside, this has always struck me as the most quintessentially Silver Age Joker stories, because it pretty clearly features a Joker who's not even *remotely* interested in killing Batman (possibly because at that point he's become well-aware of the Bat's Plot Armor). Instead, his endgame is *humiliating* Batman, which in true Silver Age fashion is treated as being just as dire as (if not worse than) an outright murder attempt.

We'd see similar themes in '66 Batman's infamous surfing episode...

Date: 2017-08-06 07:13 am (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
I'm probably in the minority but I prefer Joker as a gangster lord with profit motive than the "agent of chaos" stuff.

Date: 2017-08-06 01:47 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (Batman--Robin (Jacks-In-The-Box))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I'm part of that minority! I like the Joker concentrating on jokes for his crimes instead of leaving a trail of dead bodies.

When you think about it, making Batman a permanent laughingstock would effectively end his career. How could he inspire fear if people are laughing at him? How Joker-ish to 'kill' the Batman by making him a laughingstock instead of actually killing him! :)

Date: 2017-08-06 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I like both in moderation. Go too far one way for too long, and one begins to wonder why Batman considers him so terrible in the first place (like shown here) but go too far the other way, one begins to wonder how the Joker's managed to avoid the death penalty or some non-Batman vigilante justice for so long (like Death of the Family).

Date: 2017-08-07 09:51 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Robin Joker Another day....)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think the Joker has suffered from reciprocal power-creep. Batman's elevation to Batgod status required an upgrade in the Joker's threat level (and in the most unimaginative way possible; he kills people... a lot), to the detriment of both parties IMHO.

As I've said before, I liked that Young Justice cartoon dealt with this by making the Joker NOT that much of a threat in and of himself. He's too unstable to be in The Light (and doesn't offer them anything they would find useful), but because he's dangerous on a personal level, and has an insane genius for showmanship, he's perfect for distracting the heroes from the Light's ends.

Date: 2017-08-07 11:48 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I think the Joker has suffered from reciprocal power-creep. Batman's elevation to Batgod status required an upgrade in the Joker's threat level (and in the most unimaginative way possible; he kills people... a lot)

Spot on. In the worst cases of this, not only does he kill people left and right, but does so, effortlessly, in situations where that shouldn't be possible for a supposedly non-powered person. Take Dead to Rights, which cyberghostface posted earlier this year. Here we see Joker killing the judge presiding at his hearing, by flicking a peanut, into his glass of water, with his toes.

Let's break this down. First, that would require ridiculous levels of dexterity and accuracy for a physically baseline person. Second, it'd require Joker to have learned, somehow, without access à la Batman to a supercomputer or a combination hacker and information broker, that the judge is lethally allergic to peanuts. Third, this incident takes place at the beginning of the Joker's career. Which means that with years of practice he should be even more omnipotent and omniscient, if that were even possible.

Absolutely no character should ever be written that way without establishing that they have immense supernatural power at their disposal, i.e. that they're in effect a god. In Emperor Joker, this is established (via the Joker tricking Mxy into giving him most of his essentially divine power), so it works. In stories like Dead to Rights, it does not. If writers give the Joker that degree of power and imply that it's inherent and permanent (and of course in Emperor Joker it's neither), then what we have is a god-mode, story-breaking character, a character whom not even Batman--hell, not even God--should have the slightest chance of beating.

And yes, as you say, that applies not only to villains but to ostensibly non-powered heroes like Batman.
Edited Date: 2017-08-07 11:51 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-07 12:09 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
See, they could have done something interesting with the Joker there, by having him know about the allergy purely because he saw the medicalert bracelet the Judge was wearing, or the type of epipen visible on the Judges desk, and just took a punt on it being peanuts he was allergic to (What did he have to lose if he was wrong?). Something to show that he has SOME similar skills to Batman, observation and deduction, that he's smart and able to improvise with available materials, he's just using them to hurt people.

Date: 2017-08-07 12:27 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Yes, and if they had the Joker commit that information to memory for use against the judge at a later time, that'd be plausible. He could break into the judge's home or office, or if in Arkham have a mook do it, and mix powdered peanuts into the judge's coffee grounds or whatever. Rather than have us believe he could flick a peanut, from a considerable distance, into the judge's glass, with his freakin' toes, without anyone noticing until it was too late.

Date: 2017-08-07 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
I dunno... I liked the idea behind his YJ debut, but the execution always felt unsatisfactory. Like, Poison Ivy probably could've carried the Light's ends by herself in that one; everyone else was just there to pick up a "Thanks for helping us fill the 15-DC-Characters-Per-Episode" check.

(And I still don't get why Dick was having that much trouble with him in the last fight scene. Surely taking down some punk with knives would've been part of his training from Day One?)

Date: 2017-08-07 11:51 am (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
I'm not even talking about the grimdark stuff, about Joker being a mass murderer and so on; though that's part of it, too, and of course the character works better when he's actually funny (bradygirl_12's point about undermining Batman is very insightful, and a quite underrated plot device, given that causing fear is explicitly the essence of Batman's project). Like many people here, I think grim is overused and there's a lot of good stories to be told with less dark in them.

But even if they're trying to operate in grimdark dimension, there's still a difference between killing lots of people because "the universe is meaningless you dumb normies" and killing lots of people for profit, power, personal gratification (and finding it funny; they're not mutually exclusive). Joker has no power set, so IMO it makes every sense for this threat to be institutional, political, like Lex Luthor or Marvel's Kingpin. But Luthor and Kingpin are dead serious, so Joker has a built-in "thing" to make him distinctive. Imagine a mafia boss with a wicked, sociopathic sense of humor, with a transgressive style, with a transgressive approach to crime even for mafia standards; someone with a psychologically disturbing, unnerving charisma, able to inspire followers like e.g. Tyler Durden or Charles Manson; but who's still calculating enough to keep cool and expand an underground syndicate, extending corruption through the whole society. That's the perfect antagonist for Batman. Such a Joker wouldn't be able to stay low, of course; he'd use his resources and influences to make big, daring, attention-grabbing feats of socially disrupting but profitable crime. There's a lot of this in Golden and Silver Age Joker, mostly because the figure of the "gangster" is still so dominant in that period; and we see shades of it e.g. Ledger's Joker in the first half of the movie, though it promptly proves to be a mask for agent-of-chaos Joker (which, to me, feels like a teenager who've just read Nietzsche for the first time).

Date: 2017-08-07 12:15 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The very early Joker has a lot of "Dick Tracy crime boss" to him.

As his first appearance puts it, "A man with a changeless mask-like face, except for the eyes... burning, hate-filled eyes"



He soon becomes the more clownish (but never crazy) criminal, a criminal genius with an unforgettable gimmick. And yes, humiliating Batman and destroying his mystique was more fun than killing him.

Date: 2017-08-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
idiotalchemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist
I love that in his first appearance he has his very own Joker throne.

Date: 2017-08-06 08:52 pm (UTC)
lb_lee: The Blue Beetle, Ted Kord, doubled over laughing. From Justice League International #7 (bwa-hah-ha)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
When you think about it, making Batman a permanent laughingstock would effectively end his career. How could he inspire fear if people are laughing at him?

You know, I never thought of it this way! But that's a fascinating thought! It's part of why David Willis did his Batman jokes, right? Because Batman, when he's 100% serious all the time, looks hilarious doing pretty much anything.

Now I'm wondering if Gotham villains have Batman jokes that they tell each other as a form of gallows humor, to try and make the Dark Knight less terrifying.

Date: 2017-08-06 09:04 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (pickle (dill)--olive (dancing))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
The easiest way to de-legitimize an authority figure (or a Dark Knight!) is to tear away his mystique with jokes. :)

Date: 2017-08-06 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
I dunno... the man in the White House right now gets laughed at daily, and plenty of people still fear him...

Date: 2017-08-07 09:38 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Robin Joker Another day....)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
If I knew that he was prowling the streets of the city at night, acting outside the law, it would certainly scare the shit out of me.

Date: 2017-08-07 09:39 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Right there with you.

Date: 2017-08-06 02:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist
A timeless classic, never to be equaled in our time.

Date: 2017-08-06 11:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher
A true statement, and solid dick for us all.

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