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Date: 2017-09-04 01:43 pm (UTC)*le sigh*
Ah well, at least it has the Riddler. Everything's better with the Riddler.
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Date: 2017-09-04 02:07 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-09-04 03:07 pm (UTC)Eddie should be dapper, at all times (He chose to include a bowler hat in his costume after all, and who does that these days?), not this weird "I put my shirt one, and tucked it into my trousers, but couldn't be bothered to do the buttons up" look.
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Date: 2017-09-05 06:56 am (UTC)But since Venom also reduces the user's intelligence, Vemon!Riddler turned out to be *less* effective than the regular version.
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Date: 2017-09-05 12:36 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-09-04 03:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-09-04 03:13 pm (UTC)Some mild sidekick imperilment, sure, that's part of their job, but casually murdering kids to get back at the parents, that should be beneath the sort of rogues who can make it in Gotham, low hanging fruit, as it were.
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Date: 2017-09-05 07:43 am (UTC)Killing a child doesn't prove anything. Any sufficiently cruel idiot could do it. It's the sort of thing most incarnations of the Riddler would consider utterly beneath him.
(Threatening children to walk out of Arkham, though, was fair game, since it was Eddie using information as a weapon, and against the adults trying to keep him locked up).
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Date: 2017-09-05 02:02 pm (UTC)I've been doing a retrospective of Blue Devil, and I read/heard from Cohn/Mishkin about the distinction between a crook and a villain--they were specifically talking about the Trickster in that instance. I'm sure the current Trickster has a massive body count at this point, not to mention some really sadistic tendencies.
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Date: 2017-09-05 02:22 pm (UTC)If it's any consolation I think the Trickster and the Flash's Rogues in general (with an exception or two) have retained their "Don't kill random civilians just to make a point" ethos, even in the New52.
Cops and superheroes are fair game, they know what they're letting themselves in for (but you don't kill them because you enjoy it, you do it because they're in your way), but there's a work ethic to the Rogues.
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Date: 2017-09-04 03:38 pm (UTC)I'm not happy about Riddler killing a child (didn't even do that as a casualty during a robbery or something, but purposefully and specifically targeted him. Seriously, does everybody in the rogues' gallery have to be the goddamn Joker?). But I might have accepted it if, like, the boy's father had been going out of his way to fuck Riddler over, maybe to steal the loot or something.
But to kill the kid just for shit and giggles?
To target him even before the father has done anything at all? And while knowing that the father only "betrayed" Riddler (in an extremely looose sense at that, not like he was Riddler's underling or anything, he was more or less a bystander) against his will because he had been terrorized by both Batman and the Joker?
Yeah, I hate this.
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Date: 2017-09-04 04:36 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-09-05 05:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-09-05 08:48 am (UTC)The BTAS writers only wrote three Riddler-centric stories because most of the plots they came up with were too much like Joker plots and they'd rather not use him than dilute what made him different. (There's also a scene, in Mad Love I think, where the Joker is trying to come up with a deathtrap and is drawing a blank, dismissing one of his ideas as "Too... Riddler")
Though of course Frank Gorshin's Riddler always seemed a LOT more of a psychotic killer than Cesar Romero's Joker.
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Date: 2017-09-04 03:56 pm (UTC)Riddler and Joker are largely dangerous because they threaten innocent people. Batman plays their game to save said innocent people.
But the two going head to head? Neither would play the other's game, and I don't think the rogues would bother to side with one over the other. It's like Civil War all over again, Gotham style.
Maybe a series of escalating capers would work as a 'war', but this? Not so much
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Date: 2017-09-05 08:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-09-04 09:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-09-04 11:22 pm (UTC)The Joker answering his door with knife in hand is wise on his part. I'd love to see someone blow him away as he tore up Barbara's spine in TKJ.
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Date: 2017-09-05 12:26 am (UTC)It was during a dream sequence in that 'Stages of Grief' arc, but still graphically presented.
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Date: 2017-09-05 10:41 pm (UTC)It was during a dream sequence in that 'Stages of Grief' arc, but still graphically presented.
I could see Alfred finally offing the Joker after another attack on his family proves to be the last straw. I prompted that for
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Date: 2017-09-05 12:36 am (UTC)I still think Tom King is a decent Batman writer (the first/second arcs and the proposal issue are total highlights) and will continue to support his work on Batman (because Batman), but when it comes to Riddler, I think I prefer Snyder's version.
That escape scene where Riddler stood down the guards by just rattling off names was good, though.
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Date: 2017-09-05 12:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-09-05 05:17 am (UTC)I enjoy Astro City. Not enjoying this.
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Date: 2017-09-05 07:17 am (UTC)But here's the thing - if Astro City had a story in which a joke villain's child is murdered, that would be *central* to the story, because that's where the emotional heart is. It would about Kite Man and his family reacting to this horrible event, not using it as revenge fodder.
In contrast, the Astro City we're getting Wednesday is about a super-powered corgi. And I assure you there will be poignant emotional depth to that.
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Date: 2017-09-05 08:25 am (UTC)Admittedly, this is the obverse scenario, where the death of a patriarch motivates a child to take up the mantle. But it plays on the same themes of grief and familial loss. And it's told with such clunky generic dialogue as: "Jack-in-the-Box! You ruined my life! You ruined everything! Why do you get to live? Why do you get to do this to me? And why - why can't I hurt you - the way you hurt me?"
Reading those panels, do you genuinely feel the family's grief? Is there poignant emotional depth there? Or is it just melodramatic and expository and awkwardly abridged, where the villain's family just comes across as petty idiots?
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