Date: 2018-02-04 11:35 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Seiga Kaku from Touhou 13, shadowed. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
You wonder if !Batman's confrontation with !Superman being a fist going through his head, and his last words apparently being " No, please! ", isn't some kind of intentional.

Date: 2018-02-04 11:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I'm guessing Mark Waid doesn't think much of "Batman can beat Superman" arguments.

Date: 2018-02-05 01:17 am (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
So...everyone in this book is dumb? That's all I'm getting out of this...no one thinks or acts like people.

Date: 2018-02-05 01:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilmari
That and literally everyone has some dark secret in their past waiting to be revealed.

Those two things really drew me out of the book - I realize it's a superhero story with lots of crazy stuff, but my suspension of disbelief broke relatively quickly and I just didn't care anymore.

Date: 2018-02-05 02:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
Agreed. I was mildly interested at the start so I bought the first trade, but I wasn't interested enough to spend money on it. I wound up reading the trades at my library years later. And really I wasn't all that impressed. I think Waid could have told this story in half the issues and less gruesomely. But I guess the gruesome nature was the point.

Date: 2018-02-05 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jeremyp
I know that the story strives for depth, like it is trying to say something, but it seems so simplistic.

Basically, someone with Superman's powers who has hangups has a breakdown and kills everyone. The end.

Watching the inevitable path of destruction could be fascinating, like watching the proverbial train wreck, but I've never been into those kinds of stories.

It is just another "Superman goes bad." I know some people feel like it goes beyond that, but it doesn't work for me.


Date: 2018-02-05 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Wow.
Yeah.
You'd think at least one of them would be smart enough to suspect a trap.

I mean, "Superman" goes bad and brutally kills "Batman" and then the villains find the "Batcave" where "Superman" hands them things that "Batman" supposedly made to stop him, and says hey, trust me... and not a one stops to think about this.

Date: 2018-02-05 05:05 am (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
yea - THE VILLIANS don't stop to think. You'd think that'd looking for traps, loopholes, and back stabs would be second nature.

Date: 2018-02-05 01:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
FWIW, these aren't the A-list villains, generally speaking. These guys are Toyman level villains. And honestly, most of the supporting cast here are more directly pulling from the feel of DC's Silver Age, so that's part of they style Waid's going for, IMHO.

Date: 2018-02-05 03:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I'm thankful for these posts because they intrigued me enough to binge-read the entire series, as well as its companion title Incorruptible, over the weekend. Great stuff.

All I'll say at this point is that the Plutonian's story gets very weird, verging on mind-screwy, roughly halfway through, but I persevered through to the title's bittersweet but quite moving conclusion. Incorruptible has the advantage of a more straightforward storyline (albeit with a single loose thread), so Waid's got you covered either way.

Date: 2018-02-05 03:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I have to admit, I personally liked Incorruptible a hell of a lot better than I did Irredeemable.

Date: 2018-02-05 08:17 pm (UTC)
malitia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malitia
Me too.

Date: 2018-02-05 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
If this series did anything, it drove home how bizarrely over-the-top the emotional stakes on the Russell T Davies run on "Doctor Who" was.

Look at Not-10's ludicrous frightened face motions. He looks like his cat is about to knock over his wife's priceless Ming vase collection.

Date: 2018-02-05 03:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
I swear, half the fun I had in reading this series was because I realized that Mark Waid was writing a "The Tenth Doctor tries to kill Superman" story.

Date: 2018-02-05 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Davies Doctor Who had problem with constantly trying to top itself, didn't it? I recall after "the universe will be destroyed" he had top it for the finale with "the universe will be retconned from ever existing" which seems to be a pretty technical difference.

Date: 2018-02-05 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Not to mention "The Daleks are dead forever! Whoops, BBC copyright dept. tells me we're obliged to use them every series or the rights default to Terry Nation's estate! They're back! And now they're dead FOREVER! Or ARE they?!".

I swear, when they flew off screaming "We will return" in "Victory of the Daleks" I breathed a sigh of relief.

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