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“It’s not a dystopia, it’s actually the opposite. It’s ‘What do we do after we’ve won?’ What is the X-Men’s purpose when they’re all united and they’ve beat hate?” -- Zac Thompson

Date: 2019-01-31 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
... doesn't look like a utopia to me.

Date: 2019-01-31 03:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
"It's not a dystopia, it's just a place where love is forbidden and people are born in hatcheries without parents, and anyone who disagrees is erased 1984 style!"

(I mean, I guess one man's utopia is another man's dystopia, and Nate THINKS this is utopia...)

Date: 2019-01-31 09:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
It looks like every fictional totalitarian dictatorship ever.

Not sure what the reasoning for this love ban is. It's not like Nate is aromantic - the guy used to make out with his mom's clone.

Date: 2019-01-31 10:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
He might not have the best romantic experiences. I mean, the mom thing yes, but there's also the death/negativity eating Threnody. Between those two his views might be somewhat influenced.

Date: 2019-02-01 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
passionate emotions can divide people if things go wrong? Do as little as possible to ignite strong feelings?

Date: 2019-01-31 04:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
it's just a place where love is forbidden and people are born in hatcheries without parents, and anyone who disagrees is erased 1984 style

The erasing might be "1984", but everything else you've described is "Brave New World"

Date: 2019-01-31 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I was only referring to the erasing when I said 1984. Poor phrasing, I guess.

Date: 2019-01-31 12:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
The "love cops" kind've remind me of that Christian Bale "gun fu" movie Equilibrium.

It's kind've hard at this point to come up with something original, not after House of M, for example. I guess the "no love" idea was their way of putting what they thought was an original spin on things? Not saying it was a good spin by any means; love is a natural part of many people's emotional make up; we all love something or someone. Remove love, remove passion and honestly what is there to live for?

Date: 2019-01-31 02:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
Why is this 'utopia' modeled off of a 1950s gas station poster of reality? It's kind of jarring. I get that visually, it's supposed to evoke that imagery, but it Like, in the Justice League/Doom Patrol cross-over, it worked because of the history of that imagery. Here, it it's ignoring a lot of that time periods awfulness (or maybe it's intentionally trying to trade on it, which I guess works, as its definitely evoking a 'false utopia' vibe).

Date: 2019-01-31 04:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I get the sense that's exactly what they're going for.

Trading on nostalgia for "simpler, happier" times and all that rot.

Date: 2019-01-31 04:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kirayoshi
I think it's supposed to feel off, like a kind of "Good Ol' Days" that never really happened in real life. Basically "Brave New World" meets "Pleasantville".

Date: 2019-01-31 04:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I don't think people nowadays feel nostalgic for the fifties so much as they feel nostalgic for the fictional realities presented in the fifties (in other words, they feel nostalgic for Lucille Ball as opposed to Dwight Eisenhower).

Date: 2019-01-31 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laceblade
Agree: as a millennial, visual invocation of the 1950s feels creepy to me, and makes me think of Stepford Wives.
Edited Date: 2019-01-31 11:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-02-01 10:20 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I'm really surprised/disappointed that it's not Back to the Future.

Date: 2019-02-01 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
if you actually look back in the US at least the 50s had a lot going for it

Date: 2019-02-02 01:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about the fifties -- the reality or the TV shows.

Date: 2019-01-31 10:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
It's especially weird given how the X-Men and mutants in general have so frequently been used to represent marginalized communities, the kind who really wouldn't have much reason to be nostalgic about the 50's. Marvel has spent a few years running from the mutant metaphor at this point, but I think that disconnect has to be deliberate.

Date: 2019-02-01 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well maybe that's it. They've won so they no longer have to run from it, they can embrace it

Date: 2019-02-01 07:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
Until Marvel err the Status Quo sends them back.

Date: 2019-01-31 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laceblade
Right now I'm in the middle of 1989 X-Men/related content, but ending an issue by quoting LeGuin's Dispossessed is a huge hook, and I'm ready to go get this right now!

Date: 2019-02-01 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hyperactivator
This is all Mr. Sinister. It reeks of his brand of eugenics. He's the one who made Nate and he's the one controlling him now. Pinocchio been restrung and his master is using him to create a world where he is in complete control of everyone's genetics. Which is Mr. Sinister's dream. Not Nate's.

Date: 2019-02-01 07:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] valismedsen
Wow! Nice theory!

Date: 2019-02-02 01:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Did they SERIOUSLY just quote Le Guin in this piece of --


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