Date: 2019-02-07 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I really wish they'd stop playing the "everything you knew about him is a lie" card with this character. It was tired and pointless several retcons ago.

Date: 2019-02-07 09:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yes. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest maybe, just maybe, he was popular with his original origin and thus maybe that may be a good origin to use?

Date: 2019-02-09 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
I just said something similar over in the post for issue 2 of his book. He's had, like 5 origins since the nu52 began.

Date: 2019-02-07 06:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
Nope, and nope...Lex Luthor is a piece of shit, no retcon needed. THE END.

Date: 2019-02-07 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Because this doesn't really add anything and makes no sense. At best, it's over-convoluted and stretching on believable.
It requires for the reader to accept a lot of BS to create a dynamic that is not that interesting.
At least with "Luthor was in Smallville for a time" is simple enough that allows for suspension of disbelief. But not... This.

Date: 2019-02-07 06:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
Oh what a bunch of bullshit.

Date: 2019-02-07 07:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zer0man
Let's be honest, if this was almost any other two characters, this would have been a poignant and sad scene... But as it is? I'm sorry, this bombed. The question of J'onn's age nothwithstanding, this is LEX we're talking about. Lex Luthor, one of the DCU's foremost xenophobes... befriending an alien as a child that he just so happened to have conveniently forgotten.

There is suspension of disbelief, and then there's treating your audience like they haven't been paying attention. This certainly feels like a case of the latter.

Date: 2019-02-07 08:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
And I have to say... Albie --> L-B ---> L-2 ---> Luthor the second ---> Lex Luthor is a pretty damned convoluted path to take from one name to the other. That's like, Batman '66 levels of random word association.

Date: 2019-02-07 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
"A joking riddle! Written out over the sea! ...C for Catwoman!"

Date: 2019-02-07 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
"However, Cats don't like water. But what is ACROSS the sea? AFRICA! which is where Minerva became the Cheetah!"

Date: 2019-02-07 08:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
They explain both the age thing (time travel) and the lack of memory (mindwipe).

Date: 2019-02-07 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] daydreamingtugrul
I've read the entire issue and I think this is the most interesting thing they've done with him in a while. I've always found Lex Luthor an over the top ridiculous villain who never gets justice for some in-story reason / brilliance.

Date: 2019-02-07 10:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Because Hawkman and Donna Troy needed company in the retcon-heck...

I Hate This

Date: 2019-02-07 10:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nate_abril96
I hate this. Why is Scott Snyder trying to create this connection with J'onn and Luthor? Luthor is Superman's nemesis. He's supposed to be everything Superman is not, and Scott Snyder went and took one of the best origin stories given to their feud (both the silver age version and Birthright's) and gave it to Martian Manhunter? It just makes me so confused he would take Superman and Luthor being friends when they were kids, and give it to another alien superhero with similar powers to Superman. I can't wait to find out Flash and Joker went to the same high school as kids, or Aquaman and Cheetah used to be long lost lovers, or Sinestro was chosen by Jor-El to guide a young Kal-El and was his uncle.

Date: 2019-02-07 11:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alschroeder3
Wait, how many times has J'Onn been abducted by scientists to Earth now...?
So Lex wouldn't have had a problem with Superman if he just LOOKED like an alien, like J'Onn did?
Now, in Snyder's defense---early Lex was NOT evil. Isn't the whole point of his first origin in Superboy is that he was a good friend to Superboy until the accident at his lab, which killed the living protoplasm which was his greatest creation and also turned him bald? The one he blamed on Superboy? Until then he was helpful and friendly.
Also---xenophobe? In the Silver Age he married Ardora of the planet Lexor.
I know, this is Modern Luthor. He's still the sum of his varous incarnations. He hates Superman for "stealing" Metropolis from him, but I don't see him as a total xenophobe. One of his closest friends in the super-villain world is Brainiac, an alien computer-android created by aliens.

Date: 2019-02-07 02:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I'm all for J'Onn getting more importance in the DCU, just not sure this is the best way to go through.

Date: 2019-02-07 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
First blush impression here: this sucks. It's maudlin and cheap and overly coincidental. Also, it's completely laughable that they're muddying Martian Manhunter's origin with yet another secret history literally while another series is covering his origin right now, literally ongoing at the same time.

Date: 2019-02-08 11:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I'd expect nothing less in such a public forum, it's not like Orlando's going to say it really steams his greens that Snyder did this. I never read comic creators Twitter statements about other creators, especially those at the same publisher, as anything up empty PR.

Even if Orlando's genuinely okay with it, doesn't mean it's not ridiculous that this is coming out at the same time as his Martian Manhunter origin and muddying the waters unnecessarily.

Date: 2019-02-10 11:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
That's an extremely cynical and unfair take, I think. You're basically accusing someone of being disingenuous solely on the basis of them professing a different opinion than you.

Creators aren't going to be badmouthing their peers obviously, but there's an obvious third path besides that or praising them: They can just say nothing at all. It's not like this was some interview where someone asked him a question and it'd be conspicuous if he doesn't answer it. This was Orlando, unprodded, starting a thread hyping Snyder's story.

What do you think is muddying the waters, precisely? One's a story about J'onn as an adult, the other's a story of him as a kid.

Date: 2019-02-10 05:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I think perhaps I did put things a little too harshly, and you are absolutely correct that it's a cynical view. I still more or less stand by the sentiment though. Like you say, comics creators aren't going to badmouth each other in public both because of general professionalism and the fact that (put generously) it's a very small industry and they don't want to come off as unpleasant.

I think where my major point of disagreement with you might be how I see social media here. To me, social media for creators is performative in a lot of ways, it can be sincere, but it's also a big part of how they engage with fans and sell books. It's a part of their job these days, even if it's not formally so. JL isn't his book, but he is the Martian Manhunter guy right now so ignoring it would look kind of conspicuous, so he does have to say something. I suppose he could be sincere, but at a baseline level, I never expect this sort of thing to be particularly candid. I mean fair enough if he is, though I clearly disagree with him.

What I think muddies the water is that we're getting a full miniseries right now that's about MM's secret past (though maybe it's not canon?) and at the same time we get this which is also revealing a secret past. It's secret histories within secret histories, coming only a couple years after the last Martian Manhunter series was also all about the secret "real" origin of the character. That's too many layers of revelations and twists, too much tinkering, for it not to look absurd. Like, pick one thing and stick with it.
Edited Date: 2019-02-10 05:56 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-02-08 03:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
I am unreasonably disappointed Lionel's hair isn't " John Glover's on Smallville, but red ".

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