Date: 2020-12-27 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
this... feels like a bad note to end on.

Date: 2020-12-27 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I think I heard it was basically being treated as non-canon immediately

Date: 2020-12-27 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Sure seems that way, what with Jason Bard all but getting a promise ring from her here and then her not seeing any reason not to marry Dick a month later.

No new thoughts other'n that, just a link to my earlier comments here.
Edited Date: 2020-12-27 02:18 am (UTC)

Date: 2020-12-27 05:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabertoothlotus
SO... Jason Bard is supposed to be a detective, right? ANd he can't recognize his girlfriend when the only thing hiding her identity is a mask that may as well be drawn on with eyeliner? If it was a cowl or something I could almost understand, but...
To paraphrase Wide Wale: "That's the only way we can recognize anybody; eye sockets!"

Date: 2020-12-27 08:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I'm having a bigger problem with Jim Gordon.

My preferred interpretation is he knows but he's not going to say he knows; kinda like how I see Aunt May. Most of the time it's easy to hang on to that take as long as the writer isn't actively contradicting it. This issue is way too "that awful Spider-Man" for my liking.

Actually, Jim is worse to his niece/daughter than May is to her nephew/son. May may sometimes be hostile toward the vigilante identity but she'd never react this way to her kid joining a protest. Admittedly stuff like the Nolan movies and the recent real life events make it harder to see Gordon as the "good cop" but the initial suspicion of the protest doesn't help; I can think of several incarnations of May that would have already been there with a sign before Peter showed up.

Date: 2020-12-27 01:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Pre-Flashpoint, he said he’d always known Babs was Batgirl. What took Jim for a loop was her role as Oracle.

Date: 2020-12-27 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Amazing 400 established May know for an indeterminate amount of time. Then she died. Then came the stupid "actress" retcon. Then the JMS run treated her finding out as if it was new information (also she forgot Otto was Doc Ock...I don't understand the love for his version of May)

They only seem able to answer that question correctly when things are ending (be it a life or a universe). Didn't Jim find out about Oracle (and verify he'd always known about Batgirl) right before one of the soft reboots like Infinite Crisis or something?

Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-27 10:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] steverodgers5
Thanks for saying that. As I was beginning to think I was the only person thinking that. I've certainly not been able to take her seriously since they got rid of the cowl. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far when it's staring you in the face like this!

On a more positive note, I liked Bruce here with his 'donate' button on the Bat computer. That at least made me laugh!

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-27 11:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
And I think he was smirking while he did it ?

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-30 10:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] steverodgers5
Haha! He absolutely was!!

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-27 02:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I hate her current costume so much. Anyone know of they're going to change it? Right now I'm fuzzy on if she's going to be Batgirl at all.

Edit: I know Nightwing barely has a mask either but it isn't like most people's eyes are drawn to his FACE. Multiple people (Babs among them) have IDed him by his booty alone when Dick was a faceless spy.
Edited Date: 2020-12-27 03:10 pm (UTC)

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-27 05:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Has there been any info on a redesign?

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-28 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kurenai_tenka
Tbf, Dick's (usually) has whiteout lenses.

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-28 03:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabertoothlotus
Me too! For once, Bruce actually listened to what somebody else was telling him instead of insisting that he's right because he's rich/white/smart/Batman.

Re: Thank You!

Date: 2020-12-30 10:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] steverodgers5
Yeah, that was a nice change..

Date: 2020-12-27 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Or to quote Blake Lively: "I've seen you naked. You think I wouldn't recognise you because I can't see your cheekbones?"

(says a lot 'bout the quality of Barbara and Jason's love life, don't it?)

Date: 2020-12-30 10:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] steverodgers5
Haha! A good point to be sure..

Date: 2020-12-29 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] themajesticmoose
I like seeing Barbara (And superheroes in general) doing more to cause positive change in the world than just throwing themselves at alien invasions or punching evil idiots in spandex

But Jim Gordon here feels very out of character to me

I know cops in real life, especially in America, are absolute scumbags who'd say all of this and worse but Gordon as a character has, in all the stories I've seen him in, been written as being progressive, intelligent and fully aware that the system as a whole is corrupt which is why he supports the Bat-family acting outside of it while he tries to do what he can from within to make positive change

I mean I'm certain he's ignorant about some things but seeing him in full Old Man Yells At Cloud mode here feels like it was just done so Barbara could change his mind here rather than it being in character with how he's been written in the past

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