New Mutants #15: The Kids Ain't Alright

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[mastermahan]

Tier might not be on the resurrection list because someone thought resurrecting the harbinger of the apocalypse was a bad idea.

Interesting to see Angel Salvadore is there as Tempest. I wonder if her and Beak are going to get social pressure to go through the Crucible. They seemed quite happy to have been depowered, and now they're living in a society that considers powers worth dying for.

You've done quite enough yourself, Anole. You didn't need to announce that to everyone. That's like yelling at everyone that Jim just asked Sally to the Homecoming dance.

[scorntx]

But Tier was only the harbinger of the apocalypse because of the circumstances of his birth, not any innate ability on his part.
Okay, he was a semi/demi god wolf kid who could disembowel other gods, but there aren't very many of those on Krakoa.

[deh_tommy]

I could be misremembering things, but wasn’t Tier in War of the Realms?

Either way, him not being in the list could mean (a)the Council’s being picky again, (b)he’s not considered to be a mutant, or (c)he’s still alive.

[themajesticmoose]

Spoilers for this weeks new issue, but it's been revealed he's not on the list because he is indeed still alive

[dan_ingram]

He's believed to be alive, that is.

Rahne does have another demi-god child out there, that she doesn't likely doesn't know about.

[themajesticmoose]

To be fair, losing your kids in weird circumstances and then getting them back in even weirder ones is a proud X-men tradition

[deh_tommy]

I swear, if they do anything to Shogo...

[scorntx]

You mean Vanora?

[dan_ingram]

Yeah.

Logically speaking, Madrox should have given her a heads up about her, but he might not have had the time.

[agent8]

"Rahne does have another demi-god child out there, that she doesn't likely doesn't know about"

A father not knowing about his child I could understand, but how is it possible that the mother who gave birth to the child doesn't know about the child?

[dan_ingram]

Comics, that's how!

What, did your parents never explain the birds and the bees? ;)

Serious answer, though. Vanora is Rahne's daughter from an alternate reality. Raised by her, but not turning out so well. She was brought to this reality, where she had a few fights with Madrox and Rahne.

Only Madrox knew who she was/her deal, and its unclear and unlikely that he ever explained it to Rahne herself. Val also had the ability to assume Rahne's form and possibly her brother's as well.

[bruinsfan]

Didn't Voldemort keep changing the reason Tier had everyone chasing after him? First it was because he was the first hybrid offspring of a mutant and a god (though it seems unlikely to me that Hercules, for instance, wouldn't have fathered at least one child by a mutant in the last three thousand years...), then for visions of some future apocalypse he would herald when he was an adult, then because he just happened to be the first time someone was the seven billionth person alive on earth at one time and the powers-that-be declared that killing him would determine who got to rule Hell for the next 15 minutes or so.

The only sense I could make out of that whole storyline was that the author seems to really not like kids.

[mastermahan]

Well, let's look at that X-Factor run:

Rahne lies to Rictor about him being the father. Her baby later crawls out of her mouth and immediately attacks someone.

Siryn is impregnated with a dupe baby that disappears immediately after Jamie touches it.

Monet is later said to have *also* had a duplicate pregnancy, but that she threw it off with her "stronger will".

John Madrox, the priest duplicate, has a wife and son. It turns out the wife cheated and the son isn't biologically his.

Layla Miller is a child written as an adult, thanks to some sort of time loop that doesn't really make sense. She'll later be an adult and bang the main character.

Agamemnon is an adult with a child's body and evil.

Okay, yes, there may be a pattern here.

[deh_tommy]

Not just dying for, worth killing themselves and each other for.

Hold up, was Beak a victim of M-Day? Why does he still look like a bird?

[zachbeacon]

Yeah, Beak lost his powers in the Exiles HoM tie-in. Still had a giant schnoz* though.

*(Until the New Warriors series where he and Boobilee, er, Jubilee had plastic surgery and used tech to compensate for not having powers)

I'm not sure how he got the powers back but other mutants also had them restored prior to the current status quo.

[mastermahan]

Hmmm, the internet says that Mothervine thing unwillingly restored him. Poor guy.

Man, that New Warriors series was poorly conceived. "Let's take some pre-existing characters and make them unrecognizable!"

[zachbeacon]

Agree on both accounts.

Beak hated his mutation and was a hero IN SPITE of it.

(Man, that Exiles run was so good)

Giving Doc Ock arms and a bad haircut* to the character formerly known as Wind Dancer so she can hang out with Night Thrasher's less interesting brother isn't something fans of New X-Men OR New Warriors were asking for.

*Actually a bad haircut may be a requirement to use those arms. It'd explain a lot about Otto and Carolyn.

[beyondthefringe]

Actually, that New Warriors run could have been so much better with the right execution. Mutants using repurposed super tech to be heroes under new identities? Groovy.

But then it quickly descended into "let's kill some of them off" and "time travel shenanigans" and that was that. What a waste of perfectly good, obscure characters... who maybe we can get to see again, not that anyone is clamoring for um... Tattoo and Redneck or whoever.

[icon_uk]

Krakoan resurrection restores powers lost in M-Day.

So we've seen Aero and Prodigy both get their powers restored to them.

[deh_tommy]

But I’m pretty sure Beak didn’t die and was still a bird man long before he stepped foot on Krakoa.

[iamrman]

I am loving the Sienkiewicz style art.

[icon_uk]

Agreed, and Reis Warlock is awesome

[donnblake]

Yeah, this is one of the things I've been wondering about, especially since someone pitched the interpretation of Krakoa as safe-space for trans* folk. What about mutants who feel they've been deformed by their mutation- trapped by genetics in a form that they can't think of as being 'them.'

I'd considered a couple possibilities, although I'll admit "Lethal arena combat and resurrection in an appropriate form," wasn't one of them. Obviously I'm still having a little trouble wrapping my head around some aspects of postgrave culture to coin a phrase.

"Accept your physical form as a sign of your glorious mutant gift," on the other hand, was one option I considered, but there's got to be folks it would be better coming from than Dani.

[icon_uk]

It does seem odd that everyone's gone for their default form. Such as Chamber still having his chest blown out. Though maybe he hasn't gone through the resurrection process yet? (Did he get his old powers back properly after the M-day loss and the whole "Child of Apocalypse" thing he had going on for a while?)

Essentially, it's a variation of the X-Men 3 issue all over again

[deh_tommy]

Chamber was killed in the pre-Hickman run, so they brought him back with his chest blown out. I imagine that’s probably the form he’s either comfortable or identifies with, though.

[zachbeacon]

Putting aside that a powered Chamber is technically an energy being that doesn't need a body, his missing parts were (a) the result of a power mishap and (b) restored thanks to Apocalypse-related shenanigans.

Resurrecting Jono with half his face and torso missing is like bringing back Cyclops with his head injury, Forge with missing limbs, or the Professor without the ability to walk.

[zachbeacon]

I don't know why everyone thinks movie Storm is a bad representation of the character. This is totally the kind of elitist nonsense I can see comic Storm saying.

Still waiting for Quentin to bust out a "Marrow Was Right" shirt in Ororo's presence.

[scorntx]

Quentin is stupid, but he's not that specific kind of stupid.
That's just asking for a knife in an uncomfortable place.

[zachbeacon]

I want to make a snarky comment about how Storm only stabs the ugly mutants but I never really got why Callisto didn't think she of herself as one of the "pretty ones"; I can see why the tentacle phase would make her an outcast but she was a literal model for a while when her only deformity could be hidden with an eye patch.

But yeah, Shark Girl and Eye Boy better not step out of line because Storm is more than happy to cut a freak.

[cainofdreaming]

Anna really should have just slapped her face. Without a glove.

[dan_ingram]

I take the point meant by your post, but I feel that last part should be reversed.

Or is that just me?

[donnblake]

Yeah. I mean, I don't necessarily think that Dani should've just immediately gone "You don't like the way you look? Well let me grab my... bow? Sword? Ah, heck, I'll just use my powers to scare you so bad your heart stops."

But insofar as the author set this up so the human looking (and, yeah, very attractive) Dani is telling the asymmetrical monster girl that she shouldn't want to go back to her previous form...

[deh_tommy]

I’m sure the argument could be made for X-Men as an oppressed minority in general, but Krakoa as a safe space (particularly for trans folk) never really rang true to me (at least not as a good safe space) for stuff like this.

[thezmage]

As I said, I think this book is being used, at least in part, to deconstruct the current run

[lordultimus]

Isn't No-Girl a victim of the U-Men? Shouldn't she be healed by the Crucible?

[mastermahan]

Perhaps the Crucible really is Power Restoration Only? They've given the population of Krakoa at about 200,000, which means there are over 15 million Genoshans still on the waiting list.

That would be a cruel bit of nitpicking, but Krakoan society might really go that way.

[scorntx]

It's kind of hard to fight for your glorious resurrection when you don't have arms. Or legs.
Or a body.

"Does that count as an honourable death?"
"He stood on her! That's not a fight! No resurrection for No-Girl until she's willing to put some backbone into it!"

[scorntx]

Does Gabby just have a "kick me" sign on her back or something?
Because when Daken's the person being nicest to you, things are going wrong.


If Cosmar is so upset about her appearance, she could go to Masque or that Jeffries brother...
No, wait... that'd probably wind up giving her tentacles for feet.

[icon_uk]

Asking Lionel "Scramble" Jeffries to help might be a very, VERY bad idea, given he's usually a bit on the unhinged side and while Masque might get overly creative, Scramble tends to creative at "offences against nature" level.

[beyondthefringe]

I figure Scramble is tapped for the SWORD medical team.
Because Al Ewing would totally use a guy like that. Body horror on a space station? Naturally.

[dan_ingram]

Shhh!

Don't give Ewing anymore ideas for body horror, my sanity can only take so much.

[gnarll]

Well, I am glad the Tier thing is not just being ignored. Could be he is off the queue for political reasons. He is a relative of Helas on his fathers side, and they way his dad manhandled Sabretooth it might not be too distant a relationship. Yoinking him might offend her a lot.

Crunching the numbers though, Xavier might not have the political muscle to pull off blocking that. Depends on what Magneto votes.

Not that it matters a lot though. Whatever Elixir says, Proteus is Tiers uncle and Rahnes big brother. Hes going to be really motivated to impress the little sister hes never met and look out for her, especially on something that important. The reality of any council vote is that reality is whatever Proteus says it is.

Also, Elixir wants to help, Tempus will do what Illyana says, and Hope will have the choice of backing up her friends or siding with authority against them. And shes not an authority kind of person.

[bruinsfan]

It would be really interesting to me to see if the resurrection process could work on someone who's actually a demigod as well as a mutant. And if whatever they do to reverse the spiritual side of death would encounter resistance from the death goddess who presumably has custody of Tier's soul now.

[lordnorj]

Dani can smooth things over with Hela fairly easily.

[gnarll]

Hela does owe the New Mutants a favor, so they could do an end-run around the resurrection queue, I suppose. Although be more economical to do that for the non-mutant baby daddy.

Beyond that... Hela takes her job very seriously. Didn't she refer to Proteus as a "monster" in Necrosha? Or was that Selene? Breaking out her grand-nephew (maybe with multiple grands) might not be easy to smooth over.

[lonewolf23k]

"Carchardon Cyclone?"

What, was "Sharknado" too on the nose?