NS: New trailer for 'Loki'

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[lordultimus]

SEE? SEE? TIME TRAVEL IN THE MCU CREATES DIVERGENT TIMELINES! EVERYONE CAN SHUT UP ABOUT IT!

[dcbanacek]

So "Back to the Future" ISN'T a bunch of bullshit?

Scott will be pleased.

[coldfury]

No, unfortunately this lines up with Endgame's "Back to the Future doesn't make sense".

The lynchpin of Endgame's time travel rules is you can't go back in the past and change your present. If you go back in the past and make changes, you create a new timeline that branches off from yours, and apparently they can travel back and forth between those timelines at will.

In Back to the Future, if you change the past, you can change your present. To the point where you no longer exist to make those changes, which doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Heavy.

So the question here is why does the TVA care about branching timelines, and how do they determine what the 'correct' timeline is? Also why are they after Loki and not, say, Steve?

[super_fly]

There's also a precedent for this in the comics, I remember on issue of Fantastic Four where Thing uses Doom's time platform to go back and administer a cure to himself at a time when his condition was less developed enough to accept it but on return nothing had changed in his own present.

[donnblake]

Huh. I think at one point the rules were "Time travel creates divergent timelines... *unless* you use Doom's Time Platform, which is special and can actually change your timeline."

[cainofdreaming]

And at one point it was that it creates alternates *unless* there's four or more people time traveling. It was a real family moment for the Four, and a real facefault moment for the readers.

[cainofdreaming]

Oh, and I don't remember that (doesn't really mean anything with my memory) but I remember the same having been said about Reed's time sled powered by the Radical Dodecahedron.

[donnblake]

It's called a Doomlock. In case you were wondering who invented the technology. It was Doom. Not that Doom needs your approval or recognition. Doom is not insecure- his achievements far outstrip those of that DODDERING FOOL, RICHARDS!

[shadwing]

The logic is Steve returned the stones to the 'right' points and kept the divergence to a minimum. But since he stayed in the past and took the slow route back (thusly created ANOTHER divergent line) they should be looking at Steve as well

[fra080389]

Probably they just wanted to use Loki, the fact he is a divergence is... well, not an excuse, but a good pretext

[cainofdreaming]

Yeah. Loki will try to trick them, but Cap would just flat out refuse if he suspects their motives.

[mindsweeper]

Thanks for posting.

Love it. I'm definitely more excited for this than I was and now it feels like it has a good shot at being my favorite series, so far. Just looks, sounds and feels like the kinds of things that I enjoy.

[dcbanacek]

Trailer looks great, can't wait for the series.

It's funny, Tom Hiddleston originally auditioned as Thor. There's video of him all ripped and swinging Mjolnir around. They picked Hemsworth for Thor (although I think Alexander Skarsgard would have have been a better choice). Then Hiddleston got cast as Loki and I for one think that was the best decision.

And now for the thought experiment of the day: *In Movie Guy voice* "In a world where Tom Hiddleston was cast as Thor, God of Thunder WHO plays Loki?"

[scorntx]

Didn't Matt Damon audition for the part of Loki?
It's probably him.
(what a weird thought. Matt Damon is not sufficiently British enough to play Loki.)

[juniper6]

Charlie Cox. :)

[leahandillyana]

It SUCKS. Loki here is portrayed like just another antihero, not somebody who has just led an alien invasion managing to destroy Manhattan and killed dozens of people across the world. I call bullshit on any narrative that doesnt treat him like Hannibal Lecter.

[cyberghostface]

It’s funny you mention Hannibal Lecter given he’s effectively an antihero at this point.

Anyways in the MCU we have characters like Valkyrie who sell people into slavery to pay for their booze habit and are treated as heroes in the narrative. There’s nothing wrong with Loki being depicted as a villainous antihero.

[leahandillyana]

Valkyrie changed while Loki got caught though.

[cyberghostface]

Valkyrie never showed any remorse or conflict over selling people into slavery, just regret over what happened to the other Valkyries. It's double-standards to say it's okay for her to be treated as a hero but completely wrong for Loki to be treated as an antihero.

Plus it's canon that Loki was being corrupted by the scepter's influence/Thanos in Avengers.

[didiji]

It's a little scary and owesome how well-founded are your arguments.

[magicrubbish]

Completely agree with this comment.

[leahandillyana]

It is not when Valkyrie decided to no longer be selling people into slavery while Loki plans to continue his wrongdoings as soon as he escapes. If there is one thing that Snyder's Cut has above Avengers is Justice League decapitating Steppehwolf and throwing his body through the portal. I honestly loved it. Avengers should have done this with Loki. Sure, guy had toxic internalised values, have been likely tortured and made into leading the army and like you said infuenced by magical object, but he is still responsible for deathsin multiple countries.

[cyberghostface]

“It is not when Valkyrie decided to no longer be selling people into slavery”

For reasons completely unrelated to coming to the realization that slavery is wrong and that she should atone for the numerous deaths she directly caused.

“Sure, guy had toxic internalised values, have been likely tortured and made into leading the army and like you said infuenced by magical object, but he is still responsible for deathsin multiple countries.”

And Valkyrie is responsible for countless deaths of people she sold into slavery to be killed in gladiatorial combat just so she could get drunk. But that’s just collateral damage I guess.

[shakalooloo]

And this is him paying for that, going through all the paperwork and having to complete tasks he doesn't want to do. The TVA certainly thinks they've got him tightly controlled enough not to escape, and we all know that even if you treat Hannibal Lector like Hannibal Lector, Hannibal Lector still escapes.

[owlbrigade1]

We know from Ragnarok that if you start addressing Loki's deep seated insecurities [thanks, Odin], and treating like he is worth something then he becomes a better person. Unlike Lecter.

It is a rehabilitation vs punishment deal. I hope they stick the landing this time though, MCU/D+ shows haven't exactly managed that on Wandavision or FatWS though. Maybe they'll steer away from the creation of a sympathetic villain with a point whom they have to make a hard right turn into atrocities to undermine, this time.

[cyberghostface]

“We know from Ragnarok that if you start addressing Loki's deep seated insecurities [thanks, Odin], and treating like he is worth something then he becomes a better person. Unlike Lecter.”

Hannibal in the books at least is a better person to those who treat him with kindness.

[cricharddavies]

By you, brainwashing someone into becoming a cannibal is a way of being a better person. Good to know.

[cyberghostface]

A.) Not referring to that.
B.) That’s not what happened in the book.
C.) He’s still a murderous cannibal obviously and no one is suggesting he’s somehow not just because he is capable of decency once in a while.

[cricharddavies]

B) Yes it is.

And it's good that I know that I can just ignore anything you have to say as utterly without value, you misogynist creep.

[cyberghostface]

Mod Note!

[icon_uk]

Out of genuine curiosity, which part of that did you think was going to be acceptable to the Mod Team?

Personal attacks against other members of the community are entirely inappropriate! Cease and desist immediately, or there will be consequences.

[remial]

i just had the BEST worst idea ever...
not for Loki, but for the new Doctor Strange movie where he explores the miltiverse
he ends up in one world where EVERYTHING is exactly the same, except...

Terrance Howard is playing War Machine

[iamrman]

I am interested to see more of the TVA. Love how much Owen Wilson looks like Mark Gruenwald. Which may be entirely the point, because Mobius M. Mobius was modelled on Gruenwald any way, right?

[deh_tommy]

So that IS Owen Wilson! I recognised the voice, but I wasn’t sure if I was imagining things.

[starwolf_oakley]

This may be a "We can't trust Loki, but we can trust Loki to be Loki" kind of thing.' (Borrowed from "Scandal.")

[dan_ingram]

Loki gonna Loki

[strejdaking]

The whole divine foundations of universe as regular bureacraucy thing is really cliched by now.

[super_fly]

The TVA have been around since the 80s so you'd be hard pressed to call something a cliche that was invented before it became cliche

[strejdaking]

Arguable-it was already a common trope, Beetlejuice did it, Doctor Who did it, that movie about dog detective did it ect. But yeah, didn't know that and it wasn't quite as overdone then.

[tinygaylaura]

Movie about dog detective wait what

[strejdaking]

Can't remember the name, the guy dies, they let him reincarnate as a dog to find his killer.

[tinygaylaura]

As long as he's written the way he was in Ragnarok this should be a whole lot of fun I think

[leahandillyana]

He won't be - this is Loki straight after Avengers, with all his developement from Dark World to Infinity War retgone. "Our" Loki is still canonically dead.

[tinygaylaura]

So they're going to do the whole "Loki goes from villain to Less of a Villain" redemption arc all over again?

[leahandillyana]

Or Loki manages to screw his keepers and escape while causing entertaining trouble.

[tinygaylaura]

Untitled Loki Miniseries

[fra080389]

They're just going "Loki was brainwashed by the Other the entire time", so they don't need to redo anything.

[donnblake]

It's a toss-up. Following internal character logic, he should be somewhere around where he was during Thor 2- willing to work with the good guys in a pinch, but definitely actively looking to screw them over, and with a lot of unresolved angst.

However, I suspect the actual characterization will be determined by whether the writers wish to appeal more to folks who want to see Tom Hiddleston having snarky fun adventures, or to folks who want to see Tom Hiddleston being sad and conflicted (ideally in a rainstorm).

Both camps definitely have their adherents, but most of the build-up for the show suggest they're leaning towards the former.

[leahandillyana]

Given that it's Disney+ they'll be trying to appeal to the children of Loki's Army from a decade ago.