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Ever wondered how a magical girl series written by Garth Ennis would look like? Look no further.
Warning: I will talk about death and sexual violence against teenagers a lot, as well as incest and violence against animals. Also, spoilers to the ending of the manga. Seriously, this series required ALL the trigger warnings on Scans Daily, proceed with the utmost caution.

To say that the life of Aya Asagiri sucks is an understatement. She is both viciously bullied at school and abused by her older brother at home, with implication that the abuse sometimes turns sexual. And her father would be the worst person in the world if all those villains didn’t exist. One day, Aya finds her kitten murdered by her bullies and later finds a gun in her locker. If it was a realistic story, it would be much shorter. However, it’s a tale of magical girls, so when cornered by bullies dead set on violating her, she shoots then with the gift. It kills them, but by transporting them just in front of a speeding train, thus making it impossible to link her to the crime. However, a surviving bully is certain it’s Aya’s fault and attempts to murder her, but Aya is saved by a girl who can stop time, Yatsumura Tsuyuno. The two discuss the origin of their magical gadgets, face a magical girl killer, discover the titular website with a mysterious counter, befriend other magical girls and fall in love.

When described that way, the story doesn’t seem too bad, right? Unfortunately, not. The narration takes delight in raining suffering on its female characters, magical girls and bystanders alike, most of it of sexual nature – to the point that the narration of the final battle gets stoppen in its tracks to show that a character’s mother was randomly gang raped in prison. It gets really repetitive – a girl gets terribly hurt by a violent, crazy man, thus making her susceptible to become a magical girl. It is best seen in the finale, where a perfect world free of suffering is created by… police officers being at right places at right time. That’s literally it. Furthermore, in the whole manga there are only two male characters who are neither abusers nor rapists, and those are a man avaiting death penalty for multiple murders he DID commit (it’s complicated) and a boy who sexually harrasses the girl he has a crush on. That unfortunately includes the handful of gay men in the story, including a terribly racist portrayal of a Black gay bear. Why do you hate men, author, aren’t you one?
Also, a suicidal girl now can heal others (but not self) by having them drink the blood from where she cuts herself. What the FUCK.
As the story goes on it becomes needlessly complicated and sometime after the first of the many time skips the readers are bound to realize that the author has no idea how to end it. It was never particularly well written, but the narrative in the last few volumes is simply awful, to the point that I didn’t care at all about the happy ending. Furthermore, last second reveal about the gender and magic undermined the volumes of positive portrayal of a transgender magical girl and is downright insulting to male rape victims. Even the main characters returning to life and continuing dating is kinda icky when you remember they are twins, of which only Aya is aware.
So, that’s it. Don’t read the manga, its few redeeming qualities aren’t worth it. If you are curious about the transgender magical girl and the romance between the protagonists, you can watch the anime – it has an original ending taking place right when the quality of the manga goes sharply downhill, and it’s honestly pretty cool. It still has gratitous violence and mysery porn, though.
For something more light hearted, below are some pages from Aya and Yatsumura’s first date in chapter 54, volume 8.




It would have been such a good chapter had it not started with gore...

Date: 2021-06-11 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I remember watching a few episodes of the anime, and yeah, it was pretty clear it was all edge and no point.

A lot of the concepts feels like they could have been interesting if handled by well... someone who had an idea of what to do about it. Like, Mohiro Kitoh is also a misery-porn bordering on torture writer, but he usually tends to at least have a vague point about human evil or something.

Doesent help that it was in the middle of a post-Madoka "gritty magical girl" shows. (often agian with "vaguely interesting concepts", the one that was basically "Magical GIrls as PTSD-prone war survivors" had an interesting concept but ended up just being badly written, f.ex.)

Date: 2021-06-11 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I actually unironically love Cross Ange. (though again, anime not manga) its crazy, a lot of the time makes no sense, has absolutely no shame... But it actually has some genuine heart and even vaguely something to say if you get past the grindhouse aestethic and the "sudden plot twist to make things more dramatic" and the horniness.

Also, Ange is what tabletop afficionados tends to call "A PC", the scene where she breaks the cup is just great. As is the scene where she stabs embryo, it doesent work, so she tries stabbing him again (doesent work either but it takes him more work to get out of it) its pretty great.

EDIT: I think what makes Cross Ange works while this one doesent is A) Mizuki Nana obviously having the time of her life and B) The show having its tongue firmly planted in its cheek. Cross Ange is ludicrous and it leans into that in a way these shows dont.
Edited Date: 2021-06-11 11:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-11 01:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
"Ever wondered how a magical girl series written by Garth Ennis would look like? Look no further."

Sold!

Date: 2021-06-11 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Garth Ennis DID write a magical girl series, and it was better than that.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BPUAAOSwxFZevv2C/s-l640.jpg

Date: 2021-06-11 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
"Deconstructions" OF The Magical Girl genre have really set it back, it's all darkmurderdeathrape.

Date: 2021-06-11 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I think its a genre that (because it has such strict genre trappings) just like superheroes kinda lends itself towards deconstruction and poking at the edges. Often it just ends up bad, like this one, but sometimes it gets interesting.

Like Madoka did poke a bit at the entire "cutesy mascot might be sinister" thing, and a bit at the "Why young girls specifically?" what I would like to see (and what I hoped Spec Ops Magical Girl Asuka would be) would have been more of something about the concept of the retired magical girl, someone who used to do this thing in her tweens/early teens and who is now grown up, and what that does. Could be used for all sorts of interesting things.

Except it became a gorefest with psycho lesbians and juvenile attempts at international intrigue.

Date: 2021-06-11 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Yeah, when Garth is kept away from his creepy and disturbing obsession with hating on superheroes, he usually manages to produce work on the good-excellent range.

It's just the topic of superheroes that causes his brain cells to cannibalise each other.

Date: 2021-06-11 08:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
I stand by my claim that the only good deconstruction of Magical Girl is Princess Tutu.

I'm still undecided about Magical Girl Boy. That one could theoretically be considered offensive for its use of man in a dress for humor, but within the series itself nobody really bats an eye at it and automatically accepts the hero without question. And I LOVED the joke where a female character declares her affection for a girl, the girl does the usual "but maybe she means that we are really close friends, like sisters!" interpretation that publishers always use for plausible deniability, and the character immediately responds "no, I want to fuck."

Date: 2021-06-11 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
TBH, I have seen that particular joke done at least a couple of times, including in Dragon Maid.

But yes, Tutu is fantastic, though it's less a deconstruction of magical girls than it is about storytelling in general.

Date: 2021-06-11 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
People say that a lot, but I think even his other stuff tends to veer into up into his butt way too often.

Date: 2021-06-11 08:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I’ve heard Cross-Ange is actually supposed to be alright once you get past the initial edge.

Date: 2021-06-11 08:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I thought Madoka Magica was pretty good even if that did cause the whole grimdark Magical Girl boom (though that Joan of Arc spin-off played things surprisingly straight), though that’s not really that’s fault.

What was that one show where the magical girl gets hit by a car halfway through and (I think) hallucinates the rest of the show? Was that Princess Tutu or was that something else?

Date: 2021-06-11 08:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
A few episodes? How did you even last that long?

Date: 2021-06-11 08:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Which was the psycho lesbian gorefest, Madoka Magica or Spec-Ops: Magical Girl Asuka? Is that any good as a deconstruction as Spec-Ops: The Line was for military shooters?

When everything becomes a deconstruction or a subversion, there ends up nothing left to take apart and so the stuff that was originally being deconstructed or subverted loops back around to becoming refreshing (and even subversive thatself in how straight that might play things).

Date: 2021-06-11 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
"Spec-Ops: Magical Girl Asuka" was the psycho lesbian gorefest. It's not really good in any way. The *concept* was interesting enough (basically, the usual magical girl shenanigans gave some ex-magical girls PTSD and governments started treataing them as well, spec ops teams) but it's not good enough to actually do anything interesting or useful with that concept.

I don't think subversion and deconstruction are quite the same things, a subversion is basically rooted entirely in taking a genre expectation and doing something else with it, while a deconstruction is all about looking at the assumptions baked into something and thinking about them.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
That's not Princess Tutu.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Definitely something else ^^"

Date: 2021-06-11 10:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Never seen Dragon Maid. The art style and character designs are extremely unappealing to me.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Understandable, i don't like it much either, it's one of those things that a lot of people like because it presents what is basically a lesbian couple and ignore how unsavoury a lot of the stuff is.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Do Magical Girl Apocalypse, just because of it being hysterically convoluted.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
As I said I unironically love Cross Ange.

But it is also a show I cannot recommend to anyone.

As mentioned, it's edgy, often gratuitously, it's relentlessly horny in a fairly unpleasant way, it constantly makes plot twists seemingly just for the sake of Drama. It has a running gag where the male love interest keeps falling face-first into the female main characters crotch. There is so much rape, actual and metaphorical. It's sometimes straight up nonsense (what the hell was that flashback with Ange and Salamandine?) Characters literally die only to show up alive with a "oh, i was wearing flak jacket underneath"

But it also... Kind of rocks? Ange as a character ends up as a refreshing asshole in a way that female characters are very rarely allowed to be. She repeatedly Does Not Give A Shit. She learns (after a lot of humiliation, much of it sexual) that the best way to deal with things is stabbing shit, and if that doesen't work, try to stab it in a different way. The villain is literally the patriarchy (like, seriously) it manages to do surprising things with side-characters you thought were throwaway (the three flunkies of the Mean Girl in the opening Women in Prison segment ends up having a pretty reocurring storyline and their romantic and sexual relationship is actually important, thematically and plot-wise) it has weird-ass music, it has some dope mecha-on-dragon action.

And it has it's tongue firmly planted in cheek (the post-credits "in next epiosode" recaps are hilarious, usually involving the cast talking about how bullshit the show is, including the incredibly lame revelation of why the show is called "Cross Ange" ("Because Ange is always cross")

by no rights should it work, and it's definitely not something I can in good faith recommend to anyone, yet I kind of love it.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Oh gosh, why would you bring that up?

Date: 2021-06-11 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Anime usually does a thing where the first episode is nonindicative or just htere to catch your eye, so I usually give a show at least three episodes before I drop it.

Date: 2021-06-11 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I would also note that while Magical Girl site is indeed a terrible manga, it is nowhere near the worst ever. When manga goes bad it can go BAD.

Date: 2021-06-12 12:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I mean, he does seem to still appreciate Superman's inherent goodness. Maybe he has similar feelings about Sailor Moon or one of the other magical girl stories that ISN'T a dark deconstruction.

Date: 2021-06-12 12:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I feel about Madoka* the same way I feel about the Dark Knight Returns. Its fine but it really doesn't deserve it's own hype. Also the follow-ups sucked and it inspired a TON of terrible imitations.

*I mean honestly I'd rather watch Madoka again than read DKR but that's just me.

Date: 2021-06-12 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Shit - there IS a webcomic that does the "retired/ex-magical girl grown up and burned out" idea pretty well I just...can't recall the name of it right now.

Date: 2021-06-12 12:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Yea - the MAIN bits of Dragon Maid are cute. Then you got...the...*gestures* rest of it. I hung around for one season of the anime and fast forwarded through the pedo bits (that really don't ADD anything to the series as a whole) - ignored the manga which is apparently worse.

But I'm not going to defend either. I'm also not watching the second season. I....will go digging in yuri mangas if I want more cute lesbian romance.

Date: 2021-06-12 01:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Sadly one of my favorite magical girl sends up - is hideous to look at and will never see a proper English release (also hides its premise behind pervy covers). I liked the first couple volumes but no idea how far it slipped into trash.

Magic Girl Pretty Bell - starts off with cute magical girl mascots looking for their next hero and somehow end up with a girls 35 yr old body building neighbor instead. He sort of intervenes - decides fighting demons isn't for little girls - and shit just rolls downhill from there.

Date: 2021-06-12 08:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Magick Chicks? Shattered Starlight?

Date: 2021-06-12 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
That’s the one, thank you! Was that show any good?

Date: 2021-06-13 12:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I really enjoyed Madoka Magica but in retrospect it probably shouldn't have been the very first magical-girl anime I ever watched. (I'm relatively new to anime... maybe three years or so ago was when I started getting into it.) Because when I've subsequently tried to watch "played straight" examples of the genre, like Sailor Moon, I just haven't been able to get into them.

Date: 2021-06-13 12:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Shattered Starlight sounds and looks right. Thank you

Date: 2021-06-13 01:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Shattered Starlight sounds and looks right. Thank you

Date: 2021-06-13 12:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Respectfully, I strongly disagree.

In Tutu, the heroine learns that she was never truly in love with the hero, she had mistaken a good person's compassion towards a victim in need for love. Similarly, the hero's apparent preference for Tutu turned out to be his longing for his missing heart pieces, and once he was whole again he realised that he was in love with the Rival, who had been by his side all along.

That is most definitely a deconstruction of the Power Of (Romantic) Love trope that is the very foundation of the typical magical girl story.

Furthermore, in the end Tutu stays a duck. A perfectly normal duck. The whole point of magical girls is that some girls are special despite their supposedly (aka Informed Ability) being average. But here the special girl is quite literally an animal. I definitely count that as a deconstruction (possibly a subversion).

Date: 2021-06-13 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
The interesting thing is that Sailor Moon itself is kind of an evolution and something New in the genre, basically playing up the sentai/superhero connections a lot. Not entirely new, but fairly different from a lot of other stuff at the time. (and of courseit spawned copycats)

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