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My love for Paul Dini and his writing of Zee has, to date, been boundless. But today it is bounded. Gagged and bound to be exact. Here are the first two pages of a book I was really looking forward to. But, um, this kinda ruined it for me.

Oh noes, Zee is being held captive by a homicidal maniac and a murdering rapist. Both of whom have killed and or raped people she knows. But wait!

LOL, it's just for her nightclub act. Sue Dibny was Zatanna's friend and co-worker. Dr. Light raped her. Would someone really include said person as a character in their entertainment act? The atrocities of the Joker and Dr. Light are infamous. Would an audience enjoy seeing them in a night out at the theater? Let's put it this way, would David Copperfield, say, include Ted Bundy in his act?

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creator: paul dini, character: zatanna zatara
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Date: 2010-05-19 08:07 pm (UTC)
flidgetjerome: Hark, a Vagrant #328 (Default)
From: [personal profile] flidgetjerome
Holy crap, Dini's responsible for this? Because this is really not okay.

Date: 2010-05-19 09:09 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Well, Dini was also responsible for the evil Mary Marvel Countdown storyline so I'm not totally shocked.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:07 pm (UTC)
seriousfic: (Default)
From: [personal profile] seriousfic
It's worse than that. Dr. Light's raping led directly to Zatanna brain-washing her BFF Batman. I guess when he forgave her for that, he also said "feel free to bring this up in a nightclub act someday."

Date: 2010-05-19 08:14 pm (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Her next trick is to turn a pinata of Lian into a real girl then drop a rock on her head and let all the candy spill out to the audience.

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Date: 2010-05-19 08:08 pm (UTC)
queendork56: (dc//dibnys)
From: [personal profile] queendork56
Classy.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:11 pm (UTC)
alienist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alienist
I.

That.

NO.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:13 pm (UTC)
sailorlibra: (annoyed)
From: [personal profile] sailorlibra
Blegh. I'm still looking forward to this book, but that scene was a serious miscalculation on Dini's part.

Date: 2010-05-20 03:34 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Especially when you recall the story that DINI WROTE in which Zatanna got Bruce's forgiveness. Imagine.

"Hey Bruce, wanna unwind and watch my new show?"
"Sure, why not--WHAT."

(Stalks out, muttering)
"Bitch even put the Joker in it..."

Date: 2010-05-19 08:13 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Robin oh THIS is going to end well)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Definitely tacky, rocketing towards tasteless

Date: 2010-05-19 08:13 pm (UTC)
qalchemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] qalchemist
Not only that, but I seem to recall that Zatanna had a 'no using real magic in her act' rule, didn't I? Maybe that's out of date, though, I haven't followed her in awhile...

Date: 2010-05-19 09:48 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Well. 1) She might NOT be using magic, and it's all stage illusion. or 2) She does what she often does and throws just a little in for fun.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
...it's not something I can really put into words, but that whole scene seems so freakin' wrong, and not in a good way.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:23 pm (UTC)
irrelevant: (Ivy o_O)
From: [personal profile] irrelevant
*blinkblink* To play devil's advocate here, I think Dini was probably attempting to 'empower' her, to show that she does this to conquer her fears. It was, however, tastelessly done, and in a way pretty much guaranteed to not work for women.

On the other hand, I know women who've been victims of rape who write rape-fantasy-type fiction as part of their coping system. So... dunno. I'm unhappy with the scenario, both personally and as a woman, but...

This is the new Zatanna series, right?

Date: 2010-05-19 09:10 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (Default)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Yeah, but women writing about something they've survived personally as catharsis is completely different than a male writer and male artist invoking rape imagery (quite apart from the use of Dr Light, that drill is ... kinda blatant) for entertainment, no matter what their intentions.

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Date: 2010-05-19 08:23 pm (UTC)
midnightvoyager: Just Middy (FAIL)
From: [personal profile] midnightvoyager
I... er... what.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:25 pm (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
hahahahahahahahahaha HOLY SHIT


This is possibly the best thing ever. How fucking insensitive do you have to be?

"Hey Bruce check out my one woman show! ~pantomimes getting shot, stand sup, puts on pearls, screams, falls down as if shot~ FUNNY HUH!?"

Date: 2010-05-19 08:30 pm (UTC)
nezchan: From Spirou et Fantasio a Tokyo (spirou facepalm)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
That's cheap. She sets herself on fire for J'onn.

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Date: 2010-05-19 08:39 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Um, Zatanna, you do realize just about the only reason we'd be thinking about Light at this point, right? You should. You were there.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:40 pm (UTC)
mad: Jason Todd says a lot of things (Jason Todd)
From: [personal profile] mad
What is this I don't even

Date: 2010-05-19 08:41 pm (UTC)
seriousfic: (Default)
From: [personal profile] seriousfic
And are they trying to sodomize her with a drill?

I think if Lady Gaga were in the audience, she'd be telling Zan to tone it down a notch.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:48 pm (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
See, the drill is his penis.

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Date: 2010-05-19 08:48 pm (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Yeah, this is a little "Diary of Anne Frank with a happy ending" for me.

Date: 2010-05-19 08:50 pm (UTC)
filkertom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filkertom
No. A lot.

Date: 2010-05-19 09:02 pm (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack
Oh boy, Dini does it again.

Date: 2010-05-19 09:25 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
Does it hurt when I say I told you so?

Date: 2010-05-20 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cuntfucius
Seriously.

Date: 2010-05-19 09:36 pm (UTC)
ravenous_raven: Angry Wonder Woman, "Are you f-ing kidding me?" in a corner ("Are you f*&^%!@# kidding me?")
From: [personal profile] ravenous_raven
Yeah, I don't think Zatanna would do this. And while the set-up is definitely meant to provide a hook for the reader, it's still not executed well.

Date: 2010-05-19 09:53 pm (UTC)
stig: "It Was A Boojum..." (Default)
From: [personal profile] stig
Also, a quibble: shouldn't that shadow be slightly different? It looks like it's being cast by a regular crucifix.

Date: 2010-05-19 10:18 pm (UTC)
deliandra: Loki thoughtfull (Default)
From: [personal profile] deliandra
Is this from her new series? I was really looking forward to that.

Date: 2010-05-19 10:49 pm (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Now I know Zee is better than and ABOVE this...

Date: 2010-05-19 11:22 pm (UTC)
mullon: (Old Bruce)
From: [personal profile] mullon
I think Ms. Lee needs to have a talk with her husband.

Date: 2010-05-20 11:59 am (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: gwen eyebrow)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Given that time that she said the women complaining about the Adam Hughes Mary Jane statuette were probably fat, I'm not convinced she would see anything off in this scene.

Date: 2010-05-19 11:24 pm (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
Oh, Zee. Don't. It's so.....Vegas.

Date: 2010-05-20 12:05 am (UTC)
darklorelei: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darklorelei
What.


*wanders off to read some soul-cleansing Yotsuba*
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