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Date: 2010-09-15 09:59 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-15 10:45 pm (UTC)Batman loved all his Robins; in my mind that's just not up for debate.
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Date: 2010-09-16 12:50 am (UTC)Even in the end... Jason knew how much I loved him.
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Date: 2010-09-16 01:54 pm (UTC)Yes. This.
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Date: 2010-09-16 10:35 am (UTC)If any version of future-Bruce holds water for me, it's the Kingdom Come version as he's not as psychotic as the Beyond version (there I said it). In KC, he's completely rid of the Joker, the mansion, the pretence, etc., and has a chance to sit back and grin. And looks magnificent doing so.
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Date: 2010-09-16 01:50 pm (UTC)I like Kingdom Come Bruce playing Sherlock Holmes in the end noticing Diana's pregnancy. And Nightstar should be good for Ibn too. That ending really makes me happy. :P
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Date: 2010-10-01 07:30 am (UTC)Why is that a dick thing? They were both consenting adults.
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Date: 2010-09-15 10:04 pm (UTC)What happened to Tim is a whole different situation, but even if he didn't do it out of a sense of personal responsibility (Which Batman is a walking testament to), Alfred would bloody well MAKE him visit.
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Date: 2010-09-15 10:20 pm (UTC)Where's my broomstick!
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Date: 2010-09-16 01:05 am (UTC)Given his proximity to the bomb and the fire, there would probably be little clothing actually left. the green undershirt would be fair enough, the matching green undies would just be underwear, the rest would be shredded or burned. It's not like anyone was expecting to find robin there,
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Date: 2010-09-16 03:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-16 10:11 am (UTC)I considered that most of Jason's clothing would probably be destroyed by the bomb, but then you've got Sheila who looks almost completely unscathed with even her perfect 40's coif still intact. I guess it's just another case of the art failing to match the story.
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Date: 2010-09-16 10:32 am (UTC)I don't think the Joker's involvement in the explosion was ever a secret, and it was mentioned (again IIRC) in the Gotham Knights story about Jason's death.
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Date: 2010-09-16 12:49 am (UTC)Beechen Brand Fuckery: You'll say "WHAT THE FUCK" every time!
Date: 2010-09-16 12:54 am (UTC)Re: Beechen Brand Fuckery: You'll say "WHAT THE FUCK" every time!
Date: 2010-09-16 02:27 am (UTC)Re: Beechen Brand Fuckery: You'll say "WHAT THE FUCK" every time!
Date: 2010-09-16 12:22 pm (UTC)Also, this flashback makes no sense to me in the comic's own internal continuity. Why does the Joker kidnap Alfred of all people? Why is the Joker still alive post-Robin, since the book already established that Return of the Joker happened? And why is Dick even mentioning Alfred without explaining who he is, since Terry likely doesn't know anything about Alfred?
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Date: 2010-09-16 08:04 pm (UTC)To play devil's advocate--and obvious continuity lapses aside--Bruce probably didn't go see Dick again because of his guilt over a mistake that got him shot. Plus the bullet in the spine ended Dick's career as Nightwing (I'm assuming--haven't read the comic). Bruce most likely knew this but still had a new suit made for him--he still sees Dick as a hero. Plus, Bruce can't be all that cold if he stopped his pursuit of Joker to be sure Dick was okay--he put Dick's well being ahead of the mission. Even with that reasoning, I still don't buy it, but it is a bit of a less harsh look at Bruce.
Dick's bitterness I have more trouble believing. He would fully understand Bruce's guilt, and I would think he'd be the one to break the silence and let Bruce know he doesn't hold a grudge. I could understand a falling out after Babs, but not over an injury in the line of duty--regardless of whose fault it was.
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Date: 2010-09-16 10:41 pm (UTC)Hell, he got shot up one time and then Bruce ignored him? That isn't even half the fucking-over Tim got in Return of the Joker. I mean hell, at least Grayson actually got invited back.
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Date: 2010-09-16 01:05 am (UTC)Sleeping with Babs - as a betting gal, I'd give the morning line at 3-5
Okay, he'd strip the costume because 1) who wouldn't? and 2) that whole secret identity thing - nearly 100% chance
But Bruce Wayne never talking to Dick Grayson again? Quite a longshot... 100-1 maybe...
No matter, Batman Beyond is great to read more and fun to watch, actually was watching the series on Amazon Unbox as I logged on...
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Date: 2010-09-16 01:13 am (UTC)God this re-launch isn't going as well as I hoped.
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Date: 2010-09-16 07:28 am (UTC)Capes and costumes are bulletproof in the comics, not generally in the DCAU.
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Date: 2010-09-16 07:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-16 01:33 am (UTC)Bruce decides to never see Dick ever again?
Ok, time to see if there's a Starro hiding on Bruce.
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Date: 2010-09-16 02:51 am (UTC)However let me point this out, the canon here makes NO SENSE. Joker should be dead because there is no Robin, why have nightwing your EX SIDEKICK when you have your current one?
As for the whole bruce is a dick....he kinda is here but he's easy to write poorly. No excuse though
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Date: 2010-09-16 07:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-16 10:14 pm (UTC)Somethin's fishy.
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Date: 2010-09-17 03:22 am (UTC)I KNEW something was bugging me about this whole scene and it wasn't Bruce not seeing Dick in the hospital!
We know per Barbara's Dialog in RotJ that Batgirl and Robin were still working with Batman on a regular basis up until Tim's kidnapping, it was after the Joker's Death that Robin was retired and we presume that Batgirl retired at the same time or a few years later. So the line "Hadn't worked with a partner in years" doesn't fly here with the Joker still alive.
So either NickFury!Dick is the lying liar that lies or Beatchen decided to play fast and loose with continuity and canon...again
This sequence would have worked better with a different Bat-Villian who kidnapped Bruce Wayne's beloved Butler and held him for ransom (plenty to pick from there)
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Date: 2010-09-16 02:57 am (UTC)I'm not taking this as DCAU Batman Beyond canon. Because this? Is just bullshit.
Comics writers just have to make everything a billion times more fucked up than the 'toons. Beechen just lost my readership.
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Date: 2010-09-16 08:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-17 03:24 am (UTC)If so this SO does not fit....
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Date: 2010-09-16 04:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-16 06:10 am (UTC)The others, like Tim, like Dick, like Barb realize that Bruce isn't a total jerk but they tell Terry that to steel him for any stupidity Bruce does in terms of relationships.
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Date: 2010-09-16 01:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-16 06:13 am (UTC)Sure Bruce was a jerk in the later post BTAS seasons 1-3 DCAU, but this...this goes beyond sleeping with Babs. At least that could be reasonably explained as two consenting adults.
Tim, at least he got Tim Drake the necessary help he needed.
This though...damn. What ever happened to Amanda Waller's speech about how Bruce was so caring and stuff in Justice League's Epilogue?
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Date: 2010-09-16 12:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 10:03 pm (UTC)So indeed we get Dark Knight Strikes Again, plus Deathwing, Tim as evil Batman in "Titans of Tomorrow," Return of the Joker, and now this. The upside is that once the writer goes for the Dick Grayson button, there aren't any more to push.
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Date: 2010-09-16 05:22 pm (UTC)My sentiments exactly.
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