What happen to dick grayson in the batman beyond universe.

[superfangirl1]

Batman beyond #4

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Beechen Brand Fuckery: You'll say "WHAT THE FUCK" every time!

[01d55]

Same kind as dragon-lady Cassandra Cain.

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[fifthie]

In fairness this is actually about as awful as Batman Beyond generally was (give or take a bit of awful).

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[an-idol-mind.livejournal.com]

I seem to remember the Bruce Wayne of Batman Beyond to be much more human than this. Hardened due to tragedy, yes, but still caring in his own way. He put his life on the line to help Terry multiple times in the series. In Return of the Joker, he kicked Terry out as Batman in an attempt to protect him. Old man Wayne was a hardass, but I never got the feeling that he didn't care about the people around him. If anything, him caring about them was what led him to become more distant - he realized that his presence as Batman had eventually harmed them all. Bruce would distance himself from Dick after that event, but more out of a sense of, "I've got to keep away from the kid for his own good," rather than, "I'm going to strip him out of his costume and leave him for the paramedics and never admit to making a mistake."

Also, this flashback makes no sense to me in the comic's own internal continuity. Why does the Joker kidnap Alfred of all people? Why is the Joker still alive post-Robin, since the book already established that Return of the Joker happened? And why is Dick even mentioning Alfred without explaining who he is, since Terry likely doesn't know anything about Alfred?

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[essaybee]

If this is supposed to be in the DCAU continuity, it doesn't make sense either. BB started out with Bruce's last outing as Batman where he has a heart attack or something (been awhile since I watched it). Plus, as you point out, Joker was dead long before Bruce hung up the cowl. (Tim was still a kid when Joker was killed, and by the time of Return of the Joker--at which point Tim was old--Bruce had only been retired for a few years.)

To play devil's advocate--and obvious continuity lapses aside--Bruce probably didn't go see Dick again because of his guilt over a mistake that got him shot. Plus the bullet in the spine ended Dick's career as Nightwing (I'm assuming--haven't read the comic). Bruce most likely knew this but still had a new suit made for him--he still sees Dick as a hero. Plus, Bruce can't be all that cold if he stopped his pursuit of Joker to be sure Dick was okay--he put Dick's well being ahead of the mission. Even with that reasoning, I still don't buy it, but it is a bit of a less harsh look at Bruce.

Dick's bitterness I have more trouble believing. He would fully understand Bruce's guilt, and I would think he'd be the one to break the silence and let Bruce know he doesn't hold a grudge. I could understand a falling out after Babs, but not over an injury in the line of duty--regardless of whose fault it was.

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[fifthie]

He put his life on the line for Terry because he was Terry, and the DCAU guys love Terry. They always went out of their way to have Bruce be a dick to his sidekicks and make Terry Sue out to be the One True Batman.

Hell, he got shot up one time and then Bruce ignored him? That isn't even half the fucking-over Tim got in Return of the Joker. I mean hell, at least Grayson actually got invited back.