Wolverine & Jubilee #4 (now with more Santo)

[sherkahn]

Wolverine and Jubilee, in Russia, trying to find a "work through" to her vampire tendencies - blah blah blah. Plan never goes right blah blah blah.

ROCKSLIDE being more AWESOME.
'Nuff said.





Another Wolverine comic as a front to have more Pixie, Rockslide and Armor?

Clever, Marvel. Very clever.

Comments

[long_silence]

Armor doesn't get to interact with the other kids enough. She's always off in the Astonishing ghetto.

God damn it why doesn't this team have its own book?

[e_307]

Because now we have 'Generation Hope'. And that's the only book we're supposed to look at for stories on young mutants...which really is lame...

[greenmask]

And again, please, we ask that members avoid using "lame" as per our anti-ablism policy.

Could you all try to remember this please, it's been coming up a lot lately.

[highways]

Er, while we're on the topic, is "ghetto" acceptable here? /points upthread

[rainspirit]

Or idiot?

[lakrids404]

Is idiot also an ungood word? Is there a list somewhere? Cognitive challenged person needs help, please.

[nezchan]

Hey! I'm an idiot and I, uh...

I'm not really sure, actually.

[avantre]

I actually truly work in my Government's Disabilities department, and we do have a list of words we're told to avoid using when talking to clients (including, ironically enough considering our Department's name, the word disabled), and lame's not one of the words listed (then again, we don't really use 'lame' as an expression over here). Something the mods need to remember is that a word that's insulting in their neck of the woods might not even raise an eyebrow in the poster's neck of the woods. So, if it's a modably offensive word it really should be listed somewhere in the rules.

[kingrockwell]

Being called out/having something pointed out and asked to stop isn't a punishment. Mod notes aren't on the same level as warnings - they're your moderators completing the duty they have to deny status quo-supporting oppressive language a place at scans daily. The words we mod for aren't based on our personal lives or our own sudden decisions; they're the result of listening to members, and listening to social justice advocates. We're aware that some of the words and phrases we ask members to avoid are part of common speech in many English-speaking areas and countries and that new members will be used to using them indiscriminately. This is part of why we choose not to give them a place here - when harmful language is inescapable IRL, a place online where it isn't the norm can be a great comfort. We hope to provide that and we'd like your help to do that.

If you aren't sure about a word's offensiveness, but have some idea that a word or phrase may have negative connotations, as in many of the examples noted in this thread, the simplest solution is to avoid using the word or phrase to start with. If you're struggling to find a replacement, try thesaurus.com! You CAN think of a different way to say it, whatever it is - and if you don't, then all you have to fear is somebody saying "hey, can you not"? And the moderation team has enough experience to know if members are being concern trolled - something that is not acceptable under the posting rules.

So, simple rule of thumb: if you're worried that a word may be considered offensive, don't use it.

[ghostjax]

Actually, (etymologist hat on) moron, imbecile and idiot were all codified in the early 1900s by eugenicist Henry H. Goddard as indicators of varying degrees of mental capacity, with moron signifying an IQ of 51-70, imbecile an IQ of 26-50, and idiot 0-25. Although the words have varying degrees of history, ("idiot" comes from the Greek idiotes, meaning layperson or unskilled laborer, while moron psychologists generally believe Goddard just made up) these official uses by the psychiatric community are believed to be the means by which the words entered American slang.

Etymologist hat off, I'd also like to join the request for a list of red flag words from the mods. Although I absolutely see the logic behind the ban on the word "lame", the last time I heard the term used to describe the differently-abled was 20 years ago in Sunday school, in the "made the blind to see and the lame to walk" sense. It doesn't exactly fall under common usage. I mean, if I was talking to someone and they said, "Bill is lame" and indicated a man in a wheelchair, I would, honest to God, assume that Bill had just done something extremely uncool rather than think they were referring to the fact that he couldn't walk.

[turtlefu]

Oh, exactly.

I understand the need to avoid offensive and ablest language. I completely agree with that. I also think lame shouldn't be used. But if we were to limit ourselves to only use words that directly correlate in meaning to their etymological roots, we would be severely limiting our vocabulary.
But one of the wonderful things about language is that it is living, it is constantly changing words don't mean what they used to.

I mean, look at the set of words in LGBTQ. Lesbian doesn't mean somebody from the Greek island of Lesbos, Gay doesn't mean extremely joyful or happy, and Queer doesn't mean odd or weird. At least, not anymore. They've fallen out of that usage because a new definition was coined for them. And those are words that the community itself uses, so its a little odd to argue that etymology of the word matters instead of how it is currently used.

[lorriek]

I'm 30+ years old and up until about a year ago I had no idea that "spaz" could mean anything other than what it means in the U.S. I went to school with people who had cerebral palsy, but we didn't refer to them as "spastic". I don't think I've ever heard that word said aloud. And the first time someone was called out here for using "lame" it took me longer than I'd like to admit before I figured out how it could be considered offensive. On the other hand, I've heard that "see you next Tuesday" isn't considered as offensive in some places as it is in the U.S. How language evolves over time is very interesting to me.

It's like the word "dumb." It just doesn't mean what it used to. It's an unkind thing to call someone, but no one is going to misunderstand and assume you mean "lacking the ability to speak."

[janegray]

"see you next Tuesday" isn't considered as offensive in some places as it is in the U.S.

..."See you next tuesday" is offensive? Why? O_o

[introverted_excavator]

Er, it's a euphemism for a very vulgar word for the female genitalia >_>

[janegray]

Oh ^^"

[salad_barbarian]

In addition to a red flag list I'd like to know what the mod's position is on reclaimed words.

It wasn't until a few years ago that I heard "queer" used in a way that wasn't an insult. What other words are there that are now okay to use?

[savok]

Only time outside of the bible I've heard the word used was in farming to describe horses unable to walk properly.

And christ, if we're up to not offending animals now there'd be a shorter list of the words we can use.

[highways]

Is this an intentional 1984 reference? 'Cause uh...

[rainspirit]

If it is, it's awesome.

[highways]

Did somebody say idiot? I didn't see it in the thread. "Ghetto" I mentioned because it happened in the comment directly above the comment that got the mod warning, and it's, well, pretty classist and a bit racist! So.

[rainspirit]

It's not anywhere in the post. I've been wondering about it ever since I saw that "lame" was out of bounds on the noscans community. Really unnerved me, considering it's had a cultural double meaning since long before I was equipped to think about such things. Hence, I'm wondering if idiot is giving the same treatment, considering its reference to the "village idiot" being antiquated ableism, of a sort. (Heh.)