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'I will get flack for this but I think Sanders deserves more blame than he's getting. He went with some attacks that really hobbled her because they made her permanently unacceptable to some on the left, while also echoing the SAME claims as the right was making. Sanders gave a bipartisan credibility to the "corruption" thing that made it stick and made media fall in love with it even more. She was clearly badly hobbled coming out of that primary, and everyone kept pretending it was a good thing.' - Nick Spencer





















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Date: 2016-12-16 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
All of those emails were from AFTER Bernie had been eliminated from the running after Super Tuesday, and no one can point to a single thing that the DNC actually did that could have influenced voters.

Here's the timeline:

1. Bernie attended a single protest march for civil rights, just like Mitch McConnell
2. Bernie graduates college
3. Bernie moves to one of the whitest states in the country
4. Bernie, after never holding an actual job, decides to run for public office
5. Bernie votes for the first time, now that he can vote for himself
6. Bernie renames two post offices, cosponsors a bill to dump Vermont's toxic waste on a poor Hispanic town after fighting any amendment that would give the town any recourse, and tells them to go screw themselves because he doesn't need their vote. He also runs the VA into the ground, ignoring multiple people telling him that wait times were way too long because he didn't want to hear them. He also establishes a record of not working with anyone and deliberately being an obstacle towards progress. Ralph Nader writes him a letter about only paying attention to other progressives when he wants to run for reelection.
7. Bernie tries to get the DNC to primary Obama
8. Bernie announces that he wants to run for president, joins the DNC in order to use their organization to give him a pulpit, ballot access, and free advertising
9. Bernie's campaign steals data from the DNC, refuses all attempts by them to reach out to him until they cut off his access completely, at which point he sues them
10. Bernie embezzles campaign funds to take a family vacation to the Vatican. He tells people that the Pope invited him there for a meeting, which is completely false and still wouldn't make the trip a legitimate campaign expenditure.
11. Bernie loses one Super Tuesday, eliminating any reasonable path to the candidacy
12. A few DNC staffers send mean emails about him because he refuses to drop out now that he has no chance
13. Bernie loses the Nevada caucus because his delegates don't get there in time or refuse to supply the necessary information. A riot breaks out, the DNC chair DWS and her family receive death threats. Bernie releases a bullshit non-apology
14. DWS sends a few more mean emails about the guy who refuses to condemn his followers for threatening her life.
15. The last primary
16. Bernie talks about flipping superdelegates to overturn the will of the people
17. Bernie gets five more seats on the Democratic policy committee than any loser in history. Still complains
18. Sanders finally concedes.
19. Assange, with a clear and obvious motive, releases a curated selection of emails hacked from the DNC that are obviously chosen to support a narrative that fits his motive. Despite this, all the emails are sent after Super Tuesday, none of them point to any actual thing done to tip the scales, and the worst things in them are things like the Judaism thing you posted that never actually happened, and were only discussed
20. Bernie supporters do their level best to turn the DNC into a shitshow, including booing civil rights leaders and complaining that they were being silenced despite being the loudest people there
21. Bernie talks about "holding her feet to the fire" and "being a thorn in her side."
22. Trump wins by an extremely narrow margin. Also, every downballot candidate that Bernie supported and every bill that he endorsed lose by rather large margins, getting less votes than Hillary did in those states.
23. Bernie starts talking about working with Trump almost immediately
24. Bernie gives several interviews about how the democrats, despite winning the popular vote after suffering a truly unprecedented number of attacks from an unprecedented number of enemies, have lost their way and need to stop focusing on "identity politics." Despite the fact that voters roundly rejected his policies downballot.

During this whole thing, there's been no evidence whatsoever that the DNC has done anything that effected the vote total. Even though he viciously attacked them after he was losing. All you have is a bunch of snarky emails, only one of which points to anything reprehensible, which the DNC didn't do.

So, yeah, I'm ignoring the fantasy that "the DNC worked against him behind the scenes" because, despite the obvious and blatant attempts to make it look like they did, there was absolutely no evidence that pointed to them actually doing anything.

And if you want to bring in imaginary things like the "secret Muslim" smear that HA Goodman put out against Hillary, then there's really no point in responding at all.

EDIT: sorry, just realized I forgot to add his 1000+ pages of illegal campaign contributions that I don't think he ever returned and his denouncing Planned Parenthood as "establishment" not long after an actual terrorist attack against a facility, and the fact that he stopped being a democrat the moment he didn't need them for a presidential run
Edited Date: 2016-12-16 07:09 am (UTC)

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Date: 2016-12-16 07:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I'm sure this is all imaginary too, right?

huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

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Date: 2016-12-16 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
It's a hatchet job. What's real is either misinterpreted or blown out of proportion, but most of it is a lie. And most of it does a pretty good job of describing Bernie's campaign, too.

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Date: 2016-12-16 10:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
That's awfully convenient.

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Date: 2016-12-16 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Well, it's also true.

In the end, once things had cooled down, Bernie didn't think anything was big enough a deal to stop him from endorsing (though he did want DWS gone, and was right in doing so)- and the black community *certainly* didn't buy the 'Hillary can't be trusted by black people' line, in no small part because she kept in regular contact with their community leaders for decades.
Edited Date: 2016-12-16 02:32 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2016-12-16 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
What's true? That Hillary didn't try to paint Obama as "the other" during the 08 election despite evidence to the contrary?

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Date: 2016-12-16 04:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] velador
And don't forget the leaked DNC mails show them trying to convince Southern to vote for Hillary over Bernie by playing on antisemitism.

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Date: 2016-12-16 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
HRC meanwhile, did her level best to play nice with Bernie and his supporters since she was trying to avoid totally alienating them in the general election. Privately, she vented about the more vocal and vicious ones -- and of course this was leaked and overblown by the media. Par for the course with her.

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Date: 2016-12-16 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
Which also fed in to the smear that she adopts whatever position is most politically advantageous.

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Date: 2016-12-16 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
I used to be pretty harsh on HRC too. When I realized the full extent of the decades of smear campaigns against her, the ways her mistakes and gaffes were overblown, and all of the good she still managed to accomplish...I felt kind of embarassed. Let's just say I didn't regret voting for her one bit last month, and I still don't.
Edited Date: 2016-12-16 07:32 am (UTC)

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