Captain America #191

[iamrman]

The Falcon is put on trial for his crimes as ‘Snap’ Wilson. However, his former business partners fear that he will snitch on them, so they hire Stiltman to take him out.

Next time we skip ahead to Jack Kirby's return. Night Flyer, Hell yeah!

Comments

[scorntx]

Stiltman! The assassin you send when you want somebody dead, but don't really feel like they're worth that much effort.

"I lost one partner, Sam! Please - don't let me lose another one!"
"... so you're not feeling any guilt about Roscoe?"
"Who?"


Much as I disagree with Rick Remender on... well, just about damn near everything, nuking the whole "Snap" thing away was the right thing to do.
(okay, yes, Christopher Priest also helped.)

[dan_ingram]

(okay, yes, Christopher Priest also helped.)

Did he, though?

Don't get me wrong, I love Priest and I know he wasn't a fan of the Snap crap, by any measure.

But he seemed to be of the mind to leave it be, overall, instead of tossing it out completely like Remender did.

[scorntx]

(Is anyone, Englehart aside, a fan of the Snap crap?)

Should probably footnote my statement with the admission I'm not 100% on the full history of Snap, but it was my understanding Priest pointed out the idea of Snap made no damn sense with Sam's background.

[dan_ingram]

(Is anyone, Englehart aside, a fan of the Snap crap?)

I don't imagine there is, no.

But getting back to Priest, he did have Ross point out the illogic of Sam's criminal background meshing with his work as a social worker. But in comics, that's hardly the greatest suspension of disbelief and it was just an offhand comment.

Moreover, he did use the 'Snap' persona in his Captain America and Falcon series, though Wanda was involved (Avengers Disassembled)

I think Priest is of the generation of writers who don't throw out canon the way modern writers do (for better or worse. Better, in Sam's case), is all.

[cainofdreaming]

Well, someone at Marvel must be to have named a game after him.

[scorntx]

(Booooo!)

[phantomfo]

But this isn't your normal Stiltman. This is a Stiltman augmented with the gear of Paste-Pot Pete!

[knight_moves]

I could allow that Sam could use some flaws, but his personality being a full-on Quaid-from-Total-Recall pasted over an irredeemable villain is taking that notion way too far and making the character too unrelatable. Ironic, though, that similar mindgame shenanigans worked wonders for Bucky's character--without that angsty brainwashing bit, we'd probably still be talking about what a bad idea it was to bring him back.

[zylly]

Stick to robbing tall buildings, Wilbur