Aliens vs. Avengers #1

[cyberghostface]

 

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[thanekos]

The realization that 2099's Stark-Fujikawa might well have been a Weyland-Yutani riff..

[deh_tommy]

I like how the logo for this series is just the Weyland-Yutani logo flipped upside down.

[cainofdreaming]

So, the Skyfathers didn't built the Destroyer in this universe? Or Galactus his Punishers? Or Pym Ultron.

Greatest killing machine my hiney.

[cyberghostface]

Yeah I said it in the other thread but it reminds me of when Marvel did the crossover with Attack on Titans and someone said “what would be an apocalypse elsewhere would just be another Tuesday in the Marvel universe”.

Not saying the xenomorphs would be pushovers but I can’t see them causing an extinction-level event like this.

I might have done something smaller scale with a street level hero like Spider-Man or Daredevil against one of them in an isolated setting.

[thanekos]

The Xenomorphs have collective group behavior and the numbers afforded by their infamous reproductive capability - that is exactly the kind of threat that a bunch of exceptional individual actors aren't optimized to fight.

[cainofdreaming]

Infamously ineffective. I mean, even in the movies they've made a case that they'd be more effective if they just gave birth to their young rather than having to go through the parasite stage.

[shakalooloo]

If only they hadn't had decades pf experience fighting the Brood.

[deh_tommy]

But they’ve also been outsmarted and defeated by people with significantly less resources and superpowers. Never without significant loss, but still. If the Aliens ever got to Earth it’d certainly be disastrous, but with the Avengers around can it really be that apocalyptic compared to everything else they’ve faced? Strange can’t magic the problem away? Iron Man couldn’t build a xeno-buster? Black Bolt couldn’t just breathe into the facehugger? Venom can’t bond itself to one? The X-Men these days are virtually invincible and all-powerful, why can’t they hold them off? They still have Krakoa, so they’d still be capable of resurrection, right? If the Predators can take on the xenos, surely so can MARVEL Earth.

[bruinsfan]

From the first issue apparently the best efforts of superheroic power, tech, and magic can't even manage to get a facehugger off a host non-lethally. So I guess the aliens can't be safely teleported, or telekinetically unwrapped, or disintegrated, or forced off by an expanding force-field, or turned into a flower garland, or any of a thousand other things Marvel characters should be able to do for quick and easy solutions if Hickman weren't pressing the "NUH-UH!" button hard enough to break his finger.

[deh_tommy]

Well that’s unfortunate timing considering the new film out in cinemas right now has the protagonists finally figure out a way to take a Facehugger off somebody.

[blues32]

It would take a very specific set of circumstances to bring an extinction level event like this from Xenomorphs. First, a queen would have to be born from an extremely powerful person. Say, Carol Danvers (which would be ironic given her history with the Brood) for example. The Queen and all it's offspring would have her powers. Then a face hugger from this Queen gets on another hero. The offspring would then have Carol's powers AND the new hero's. THAT would lead to trouble.

But the likelihood of that is pretty slim.

[alliterator]

So, you should read the actual book.

*Four* Queens are sent to Earth. And the ones who did so talk about the experiments they've done. On Kree. On D'Bari. On Skrulls. On Strontians.

Strontians, the race that Gladiator of the Imperial Guard is from.

[blues32]

Now that's just silly. How full of self-confidence is a xenomorph? They barely have a sense of self. It's all for the sake of the colony, as "Aliens" illustrated when they ran toward the automatic turret guns, only giving up after taking too many losses...probably on orders of the queen since I'm pretty sure they're linked to her.

[deh_tommy]

Wait, the Queens talk and experiment on people? How?

[alliterator]

No, the ones who experimented on the Xenomorphs and sent them to Earth talk. The Xenomorphs didn't just *land* on Earth randomly. They were sent.

[super_fly]

Sounds an awful lot like the Brood

[cainofdreaming]

Yeah, they tested Xenos on those. They didn't send the results to the seed planets, only queen eggs and random hosts for them. Nowhere in the issue were they said to be powered.

Oh, and they also mentioned Cotati. They tried to get facehuggers to impregnate trees.

[gnarll]

Strontians aren't all that powerful. Certainly no Elans. It takes the entire planetary resources for a generation to empower a Galdiator.

[deh_tommy]

I can think of a few ways that could work out for the Aliens. If an Alien nabs anybody with powers then its job is much, much easier, because then on top of having the original’s powers the Aliens will also have the powers of their respective hosts. For example, let’s say one of the Queens is born from a mutant. That Queen now has an X-gene, and so all her offspring can have X-genes on top of whatever traits they have with whoever else her Facehuggers nab. The possibilities and permutations are endless.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

Wonder if we'll get to see any here.

[numeronone]

I feel like it would become increasingly diminishing returns after a while, as with the question of "What if X put on the mask from The Mask" or "What if X character became Sorcerer Supreme".

[blues32]

Yeeeah...that's...that's absurd. Black Bolt alone could have dealt with the invasion. "Piss off," and all of them would be gone.

[superfangirl1]

If a face hugger impregnates person with superpowers, and xenomorph comes out of the superpower host afterwards. Does the xenomorph get the superpowers of that host?

Just imagining the scenario of the xenomorph open his mouth and the little tongue mouth comes out. Which then it shoots out an optic blast of cyclops. Lol

[deh_tommy]

If it’s part of their biology, then probably. There’s a lot of possibilities to go through.

A xeno who got to Spider-Man would have a Spidey sense and the proportional strength and speed of a spider. A xeno born from Mister Fantastic or Ms. Marvel would inherit their stretchy powers. Putting aside individuals for a second, what if they got to different species? A Skrull xeno would be able to shapeshift and blend in with their prey. If a Queen was ever born from a mutant then all her facehuggers (and by extension the xenos) could have the X-gene. On the other end of the spectrum, what would a symbiote-possessed Alien look like?

[blues32]

How would it work with Mister Fantastic? It's going to push against his chest...and just stretch it out, wouldn't it? I guess it could chew it's way out...

I don't think the Skrull Xeno would be smart enough to properly disguise itself. Maybe blend into the walls or something, but trying to replicate other beings? Wouldn't it just look like, say, a Kree crawling on the ground, drooling?

[cainofdreaming]

Hulk couldn't chew him up, so a Xeno won't.

[deh_tommy]

Then the chestburster could escape through his throat like in the 2010 Alien vs. Predator game. Maybe Reed just poops or vomits or sneezes it out because otherwise he’d have to deal with this thing in his internal organs trying to chew its way out of his body.

Speaking of things, would the chestburster be able to escape the Thing’s chest? Would the Alien be all rocky too?

[blues32]

Yeah, but if it crawls out of his mouth, Reed won't die. And if Reed doesn't die, then the Xeno has to deal with Reed, who will know exactly how to take care of it (freezing it to make it brittle and unable to stretch).

[deh_tommy]

Xenomorphs are pretty smart, it might not be able to talk or use technology but it could probably blend in just enough to look like another species from a distance.

[blues32]

What would it even look like? Do Xenomorphs even "see" in the traditional sense? They have no eyes. So, if they shapeshift, would they have to learn a new type of vision, what with having peepers all of the sudden? It's highly unlikely they have the imagination to create their own appearance, so they'd have to copy someone else. And, again, I bet they'll have a terrible drooling problem no matter what form they take.

[knight_moves]

An hour seems too short for them to be fully grown. It's better than the several minutes it's taken in recent movies (ahem), but still, if you fast-forward the lifecycle that much, it's essentially just a zombie narrative. You're bitten, you turn into a monster, on with the show.

[blues32]

Even in the original movie, it doesn't take very long. An hour sounds about right. Two, tops.

[knight_moves]

No, no, I've looked up the script. They search for it once, then they hold a memorial for Kane, they debate what to do, they rig up cattle prods (this takes a few hours, according to Brett), they search the ship more thoroughly, it shows up for the first time and gets Brett--all told, I think we could say half a day between the chestburster emerging and it maturing into an adult.

[numeronone]

I love how Gillen has said the impetus behind The Power Fantasy is the thought that if most of the Avengers REALLY let loose - like, if Thor and Storm had a no-holds-barred gigantic brawl - then logically, millions would die, if not the entire Earth...

...and this entire comments section is following that train of thought down an entirely different track, along the lines of "a world with the Avengers, X-Men, Inhumans, Eternals, etc., on it got taken down by four xenomorph queens? LMAO, what?!? Why didn't one of the heavy-hitters take 'em down? Where's Thor or Legion or Galactus in all of this?"

Similar to how Ewing's Immortal Hulk also had Banner speculating on what would happen if he really REALLY let go. Like, this scenario should conceivably have a Banner who's blissfully peaceful because he has a Hulk who's been able to indiscriminately scratch the 'SMASH' itch for years against a target that no-one wants him not to hurt.

[blues32]

Well, in fairness, Legion is gone and Galactus wouldn't give a damn.

[numeronone]

That's not very planning-ahead of Galactus. If I knew there was a box of cookies I wasn't allowed to touch except under specific conditions, and I heard someone was going to pour fire ants all over them, I'd intervene. I might not be given a cookie the same day, but at least I'd guarantee I could get some someday.

[blues32]

The planet is just as alive covered with Xenomorphs as it is under other circumstances.

[cainofdreaming]

If the Annihilation Wave was basically just an irritant to a drained Galactus then Xenos will amount to a spicy little kick in his meal.