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In response to the discussion about the preview of BL Green Arrow.

First some context. One day Coast City was destroyed, so Hal Jordan went crazy, renamed himself Parallax and tried to destroy the universe so he can restart it in his image. He's was close to succeeding (among other things, he's beaten down Superman), but a team up of a bunch of characters (Waverider, Spectre, and Kyle Rayner are among the more notable ones) have mostly stopped him.

In other news, Damage is busy absorbing energy so he can restart the universe instead of Hal. Oh, and there's a bunch of alternate universe versions of characters around, including a Batgirl from a universe where she wasn't shot in the spine by the Joker.

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And then Damage creates a Big Bang and restarts the universe. And Ollie goes off to disappear in an ashram to face his guilt, where he meets Connor Hawke.

Suggested Tags: event: zero hour, creator: dan jurgens, char: green arrow/oliver queen, char: green lantern/hal jordan, char: green lantern/kyle rayner, char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: spectre/jim corrigan, char: damage/grant emerson

Date: 2010-02-20 05:47 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Ah the Zero hour Batgirl, how I miss ye.

Date: 2010-02-20 02:15 pm (UTC)
promethea4: (Default)
From: [personal profile] promethea4
Me too.

Date: 2010-02-20 06:31 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And I would have stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

Date: 2010-02-20 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
Yep. I do like how the flashback in "Black Lantern Green Arrow" pretty much matches those final couple of panels in the fight, at that.

As an aside, I once knew a Hal Jordan fan who used to argue that the heroes shouldn't have stopped Hal here, that they were the villains, that Hal's intentions were honourable and that they should've just let him do whatever he wanted. I guess that was one aspect of "Zero Hour" that I liked, a moral aspect that a lot of the other crossovers lacked. It wasn't handled that well (because IIRC it was barely touched on. They just all agreed to dogpile on Hal until the Spectre sorted him out), but it should've been.

I still side with the heroes, though. At this point, Hal was batshit loco. If someone took it upon themselves to redesign the Universe, I'd rather it *not* be in the hands of someone who was, as said, batshit loco. Just how I see it. YMMV.

Date: 2010-02-20 05:05 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I've always kinda agreed with that anyway (mostly because I hated what DC was doing to Hal and wanted some way to redeem him). All the things the "heroes" said Hal was doing, all the deaths in the past (not caused by him), the destruction of the GLC, of Coast City, even of that alt-Batgirl (who wouldn't even have existed if Hal hadn't started this) would have been restored if they had just let him finish - NOTHING would have been lost. And in the end? It happened anyway. All the things Hal wanted to accomplish were created after Infinite Crisis (written by Hal fanboy and now Head Creator of DC Geoff Johns) when the 52 worlds were created and I notice non of these same heroes tried to stop that from happening (i.e. go back in time and stop Mr. Mind from chewing reality). So what was the point in the end?

I mean really, ZH was just an excuse badly written (and I like Dan Jurgen's Booster Gold) created by Editorial to fix plotpoint they would later overturn (like ZH had Batman as urban legend who didn't know who Joe Chill was, post-IC neither is true) and to get rid of characters that were deemed to old (the JSA who were wiped) in an act that I think many of DC now regret given how strong the JSA franchise is. They also killed off Green Arrow after this (only for Kevin Smith to bring him back).

And it also made Hal more of a uber-super-villain just in case Hal fans didn't get that Kyle was the now "The One and Only Hero GL". Shortly after this we had Dream telling Kyle he would surpass Hal, having everyone except Ollie say how awesome Kyle was, making one of the original TT and Wonder Woman's sister be Kyle's GF. I'm often amazed at how successful Kyle has become as a character in his own light considering how much DC pushed him down reader's throats post-ZH (usually that ends in a backlash).

Date: 2010-02-21 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
"when the 52 worlds were created and I notice non of these same heroes tried to stop that from happening (i.e. go back in time and stop Mr. Mind from chewing reality). So what was the point in the end?"

Because Mr Mind's plan was to eat reality, and they stopped him before he could finish. Kind of a different situation.

As for stopping Hal at the beginning of time, he was the one who brought them there. It wasn't their fault he basically invited them there.

Date: 2010-02-20 07:34 am (UTC)
zechs80: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zechs80
Any chance you could post the final moments of Zero Hour Batgirl? That was so sad when she died in Ollie's arms.

Date: 2010-02-20 08:24 am (UTC)
schala_kid: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl (Default)
From: [personal profile] schala_kid
Ollie and Hal have a very interesting relationship, they like to yell and physically beat the crap outta each other but at the end of the day you know all they feel is love for one another. I bet this was very hard for Ollie to deal with.

Also here's some semi-related stuff, it's what Kyle likes to draw on his free time.

Date: 2010-02-20 03:10 pm (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Was he already dating Donna when he drew these?

Date: 2010-02-20 10:27 pm (UTC)
schala_kid: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl (Default)
From: [personal profile] schala_kid
I really have no idea.

Date: 2010-02-20 09:02 am (UTC)
zemo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zemo
WHY, OLLIE, WHY?!

This is very very funny :D

Date: 2010-02-20 09:03 am (UTC)
zemo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zemo
@ the Kyle drawing up there. I obviously fail at replying.

Date: 2010-02-20 09:21 pm (UTC)
arysteia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arysteia
I thought he died nobly reigniting a sun? Was that before or after this? [/totally lost]

Date: 2010-02-20 11:11 pm (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
That was during Final Night, several years later. Ollie's arrow proved non-fatal.

Date: 2010-02-21 05:31 am (UTC)
mad: Babs is a NERD (Babs is a nerd)
From: [personal profile] mad
HMM, another Babs-getting-shot homage to add to my list.

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