ILLUMINATI: Personal responsibility

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Oracle once wondered if the Bat-family was culpable for the Joker's crimes since they never did anything permanent to stop him. Here's a few pages from the NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI special where a similar discussion about culpability is discussed.





First, a page where the Black Panther shows how smart he is.



T'Challa's smart, but... The problem with the general public of the Marvel Universe is that they are idiots. Some of the smarter idiots are worried superheroes might subjugate those they protect. This isn't Tony's intention here. He just wants to subjugate other superheroes. Which he eventually does. Idiot.

The full two-page spread of Hill and Stark's conversation.



Spider-Man has a simple reason for not killing Osborn: Neither Aunt May nor Uncle Ben would like it. And Spider-Man is now the *only* Marvel Superhero who thinks killing people is wrong.

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The Hulk had been driven nuts by some mega-dose of radiation and went on a rampage through Las Vegas. In the actual issue referenced, he wasn't shown to kill anyone. He eventually came to his senses and left on good terms with the Thing, who had tried to stop him.

The idea that people died in that issue is essentially a retcon by Bendis here. Said retcon was later retconned by Dan Slott, who hates the idea of the Hulk killing someone. Later on during World War Hulk, it was established that when the Hulk is not mind controlled/insane, he's got Bruce Banner inside running the numbers and making sure that even in his biggest rages he doesn't kill people in his rampages.

On another note, Civil War had more confirmed deaths in their final battle than the retcon here, which added another level to the hypocrisy of the Illuminati and left me really hating all of these characters for a long time.