Other than the red on his suit, this issue wasn't terrible.
Now it's only a matter of time before he reveals he doesn't remember his time with Princess Koriand'r, has casual sex with Barbara despite neither of them knowing their secret identities while they keep their masks and most of their costumes on and she is reluctant at first and then when she finally relents is angry, and then goes to have casual sex with the red-head he just met again for the first time . . .
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; I think I'm missing one . . .
I want to say "don't give them any ideas" but sadly we probably WILL see some of the stuff we've listed above.
But I agree, red costume aside (what was wrong with the blue?), this actually sounds like Nightwing and UNLIKE other DCnU titles not somebody with Nightwing/Dick's name but all new - and worse - characteristics (that Barry Allen caused).
The casual sex with Barbara will probably be revealed next month, when she guests in the book.
As for Kory, would you want to remember having a relationship with this new version? Dick probably got himself some Bat strength brain bleach to get that shit out of his head.
I thought it was a decent issue, just not desperately new or different.
It was very reminiscent of Chuck Dixon (in both a good and bad way). Seeing Dick as a competent but fairly regular well-adjusted guy is always nice. Annoyed at STILL no scene of the handover from Dick back to Bruce, and how Damian reacted to it.
Bad side is that yet again, Dick, after making an impressive physically, but hardly challenging combat at the start, is used as the punching bag by a mysterious new villain to prove how badass he is, and ends up with broken ribs (a serious Dixon trope).
I'm also sincerely hoping that the last comment from the new villain isn't some sort of indicator of Dick having a "Deep and mysterious past", I really don't want him to have one of those, really, REALLY don't want. (Also wondering if it ties in to the events of this weeks Batman #1.
What are you just saying thats what usually happens, or is Dick really injured after fighting some no name villain in issue 1 of his book? Because I am playing on picking them up next month and I really, really don't want to have to read about "injured" Nightwing for months on end again.
These were my thoughts, too. I was really hoping we'd at least get to see the handoff from Dick to Bruce if we had to put up with another 'Dick goes back to the circus' story, but I guess not.
I'm crossing my fingers that they will do a handover scene later. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the actual Batman title still at 5 years ago? I can easily imagine that they will show the handover when they snap back to now.
I'm crossing my fingers that they will do a handover scene later.
Maybe they're afraid they won't be able to better the scene in Prodigal?
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the actual Batman title still at 5 years ago?
I don't think so. I think I recall Bruce talking about Dick needing some downtime after what he'd been through, though that could mean his undercover mission in Arkham.
Only Action Comics and Justice League are set in the past.
Everything else is set in the present - Batman especially doesn't need a 'set in the past' series, since he's not gotten a significant change in his status quo. (And if they were to give him one, it probably would have been Detective.)
Batman is current day. Snyder intends to play with some of the same themes that he and Higgins started in 'Gates of Gotham'. I expect a heavy emphasize on Gotham's past but the comic is definitely set in Gotham's present rather than 5 years in the past like Justice League and Action comics.
I got the impression the last comment wasn't a mysterious past issue but a current misunderstanding/frame-up thing. Though now that I think about it, if the circus is in town, maybe it's trying to somehow bring his past into it. But since he apparently isn't aware of being what the guy accuses him of, whatever is in his past is probably nothing to actually do with anything he himself has really done.
Thinking about it gives me flashbacks to that awful mini that suggested that Dick's entire career is making up for being involved in a conspiracy to murder someone when he was 7. Because that's totally something young Dick would do.
There was also the Nightwing miniseries that had as it's plot the notion that the Graysons had been murdered because they had accidentally witnessed the assassination of the child despot of a handy Eastern European country.
Which of course was NOT the case, but it was an uninteresting notion to begin with (It's only claim to fame as a series is that it introduced the blue V and fingerstripe costume.
I tried reading this as if I were a new reader, and it worked better than a lot of the #1s, IMO. A hand-off scene wouldn't have made it better for someone just coming in, while enough of Dick's past was covered in his musings to let us know what his past might have been. The ending might have been 'more of the same' for Dick, but most of the #1s ended with similar 'cliffhangers', so I didn't find it particularly targeted at Dick as being inept in any way. The circus thing has me intrigued simply because that background separates him from the rest of the Bat-clan (unless you include Kathy), and the past might be slightly different this time around than in the 'old' universe. (To top it off, there's the upcoming Babs crossover and the final page of Batman #1!)
Hmm...while this looks like it'll have some connection with Snyder's Batman, I have to admit that I'm not really wowed by this. It certainly doesn't LOOK bad, but I'm just not being hyped about it like I am with stuff like Action, Batman, Wonder Woman, and all that. If I hear about some AMAZING stuff I might pick it up in trade.
But inasmuch as he continues to be in the DCU and there are people that do like him, I figure those people would be totes down with Damien's continued adventures with Dick.
...Which I mean I even totally see the argument for it, because with the two of them you have an ultimately lighthearted, optimistic dude and a grim, serious, angry douchebag, but then with Bruce/Damien you have like a grim serious angry douchebag, and... another grim serious angry douchebag. So it's like, what even the hell.
Enjoyed the issue, the new suit has grown on me a bit, but still believe Dick needs to have blue, not red. Very much intrigued and drawn in. Also Dick's commen about a redhead's effect on him...made me realize...all his great loves..are redheads!
1. Barbara Gordon
2. Starfire
3. Roy Harper... What? Dammit S_D now you got me doin it. lol
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:04 pm (UTC)Now it's only a matter of time before he reveals he doesn't remember his time with Princess Koriand'r, has casual sex with Barbara despite neither of them knowing their secret identities while they keep their masks and most of their costumes on and she is reluctant at first and then when she finally relents is angry, and then goes to have casual sex with the red-head he just met again for the first time . . .
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; I think I'm missing one . . .
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:17 pm (UTC)But I agree, red costume aside (what was wrong with the blue?), this actually sounds like Nightwing and UNLIKE other DCnU titles not somebody with Nightwing/Dick's name but all new - and worse - characteristics (that Barry Allen caused).
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:56 pm (UTC)As for Kory, would you want to remember having a relationship with this new version? Dick probably got himself some Bat strength brain bleach to get that shit out of his head.
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:13 pm (UTC)It was very reminiscent of Chuck Dixon (in both a good and bad way). Seeing Dick as a competent but fairly regular well-adjusted guy is always nice.
Annoyed at STILL no scene of the handover from Dick back to Bruce, and how Damian reacted to it.
Bad side is that yet again, Dick, after making an impressive physically, but hardly challenging combat at the start, is used as the punching bag by a mysterious new villain to prove how badass he is, and ends up with broken ribs (a serious Dixon trope).
I'm also sincerely hoping that the last comment from the new villain isn't some sort of indicator of Dick having a "Deep and mysterious past", I really don't want him to have one of those, really, REALLY don't want. (Also wondering if it ties in to the events of this weeks Batman #1.
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 08:13 pm (UTC)Both (Well, the former is what always SEEMED to happen, the latter definitely happens)
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 07:50 pm (UTC)Be thankful it wasn't, or we could have gotten another Suicide Squad, Catwoman, or Red Hood and the Outlaws
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:53 pm (UTC)With the DCnU, the last thing we want is new or different, I think.
Still, not really looking forward to 'Dick goes back to the circus... again'.
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 07:57 pm (UTC)Maybe they're afraid they won't be able to better the scene in Prodigal?
I don't think so. I think I recall Bruce talking about Dick needing some downtime after what he'd been through, though that could mean his undercover mission in Arkham.
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Date: 2011-09-22 08:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 10:29 pm (UTC)Everything else is set in the present - Batman especially doesn't need a 'set in the past' series, since he's not gotten a significant change in his status quo. (And if they were to give him one, it probably would have been Detective.)
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Date: 2011-09-23 02:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 09:18 pm (UTC)Thinking about it gives me flashbacks to that awful mini that suggested that Dick's entire career is making up for being involved in a conspiracy to murder someone when he was 7. Because that's totally something young Dick would do.
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Date: 2011-09-22 10:06 pm (UTC)Which of course was NOT the case, but it was an uninteresting notion to begin with (It's only claim to fame as a series is that it introduced the blue V and fingerstripe costume.
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Date: 2011-09-22 07:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 11:37 pm (UTC)If they'd just made this book "Nightwing and Robin"
I bet people would have dug that.
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Date: 2011-09-22 11:44 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-09-23 03:59 am (UTC)But inasmuch as he continues to be in the DCU and there are people that do like him, I figure those people would be totes down with Damien's continued adventures with Dick.
...Which I mean I even totally see the argument for it, because with the two of them you have an ultimately lighthearted, optimistic dude and a grim, serious, angry douchebag, but then with Bruce/Damien you have like a grim serious angry douchebag, and... another grim serious angry douchebag. So it's like, what even the hell.
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Date: 2011-09-23 12:55 am (UTC)Nightwing and Littlewing by ~Kingofthieves on deviantART
And another take on the concept here
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Date: 2011-09-23 04:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-24 12:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-22 11:48 pm (UTC)1. Barbara Gordon
2. Starfire
3. Roy Harper... What? Dammit S_D now you got me doin it. lol
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Date: 2011-09-23 12:20 am (UTC)Doin' it HARD!
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Date: 2011-09-23 09:06 am (UTC)That's one redhead I'd have been happy to see in Outlaws, if not for the massive fail that dripped from Outlaws.
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Date: 2011-09-23 02:49 am (UTC)NOT HOW ALFRED RAISED YOU, YOUNG MAN.
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Date: 2011-09-23 04:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-09-23 10:04 am (UTC)Also this art is pretty. Minus all that red.
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Date: 2011-09-24 12:35 am (UTC)no subject
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