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Date: 2012-03-09 04:00 am (UTC)This is the fricking DCU we're talking about. They love and forgive their heroes for their failings. Let's move on and kick some ass.
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Date: 2012-03-09 04:02 am (UTC)I am increasingly convinced the DCnu is actively -trying- to destroy everything their fanbase likes.
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Date: 2012-03-09 04:13 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-09 04:16 am (UTC)Why DC doesn't like catering to a variety is more my question.
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Date: 2012-03-09 04:29 am (UTC)Then, a terrorist attack happens, the superheroes react as best they can and rescue as many as they could, even when their own are injured and you f*@#ing blame them for it!?
Why was there no conventional security at the doorstep of the freaking United Nations building? Not to mention that this is New York City, any major public gathering like this is likely to be under massive security because of the very fact it is an opportunity for a bombing like this. How could anyone plant an explosive that powerful without police or security noticing? Surely they would sweep the area with bomb-sniffers or a K9 unit? Did no one seriously check the stage for explosives? You could argue a supervillain's powers could do it, but the dialogue mentions "push the button" like a detonator for a conventional explosive.
AAARRGGHHHH!!! So much anti-logic!
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Date: 2012-03-09 04:33 am (UTC)They COULD have developed his character since he is essentially already a blank slate. They COULD have filled in an interesting backstory and made him into an interesting character. So killing him to introduce a new Rocket Red doesn't make much sense because he IS a new Rocket Red.
Alternatively, if this was meant to be cheap shock value, it makes even less sense for the same reasons. Because we know so little about him, there's no emotional connection. There's no impact. It's just snuffing out a character for no reason. Something both DC and Marvel seem to enjoy doing with alarming regularity, IMO
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Date: 2012-03-09 04:42 am (UTC)If people don't act stupid, there's no story.
Unless, of course, you're a good writer. Most are not, or, at least, most are so bound to editorial and producer mandates that they are obstructed from writing a good story. A happy JLI enthusiastically supported by the UN is, (to some) as dull as a happily married Spider Man (to some).
I will say this, though, Guy is taking this surprisingly well, which is to say, he is not flying into a berserk rage.
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Date: 2012-03-09 04:54 am (UTC)And while it's often true that stupidity is needed for story, I think that this particular incident is excessive.
I agree that stupidity is the fuel that stokes the fires of drama, but this is like using rocket fuel to start a barbecue grill (thank you Tim Allen for providing me with a decent simile)
And surely there's enough drama to be had already from an international superhero team. There's the question of Booster's leadership being sufficient, the JLI could come potentially come into conflict with the main Justice League, protestors in the Middle East might ask the JLI to help them overthrow a government but they are shackled by the UN's authority and must deal with the very relevant choice between what is moral or legal.
There's so much that could be done with this title, but instead it defaults to Michael Bay style, everything-must-explode-or-else-we-lose-our deposit, killing people for pseudo-drama tripe we've seen in countless bad stories before.
Whoa. I actually got so angry, I got a headache. Huh.
Sorry for the rant.
tl;dr a little stupid=ok, suspension of disbelief, etc
THIS much stupid=much rage on my part
PS on unrelated note, your icon startled the heck outta me
PPS equally unrelated note, your username made me laugh
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Date: 2012-03-09 05:15 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-03-09 06:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-09 06:16 am (UTC)Maybe it is just to cut their losses though.
Out of curiosity, when this security chairwoman person threatens to "sue you into oblivion" is she directing it towards Booster or the JLI? As far as I'm aware the UN Security Council and the UN in general cannot "sue" Booster because it is not an individual nor is it a true government. And what sort of court could such a case be brought to? I know the Hague is used for crimes against humanity but still.
And if she's addressing the whole team, how do you "sue" citizens of half a dozen different countries?
I should probably stop trying to make sense of this nonsense. XD
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Date: 2012-03-09 06:18 am (UTC)1.) Your mind gets put in a machine.
2.) You gonna get probed and not in the good spot.
I like to call this the Hank Henshaw effect. So I think we'll see Gavril later on in that big robot from earlier.
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Date: 2012-03-09 06:25 am (UTC)Maybe she allowed the JLI to be formed, used the bombing to turn public opinion against them, and disband the JLI. Maybe even turn the incident into a case against other superheroes so that governments support a crackdown.
But that doesn't make sense either. If you are part of a criminal group so secretive that you can become chairperson of the United Nations security council without anyone discovering your illegal connections, why announce your existence by trying to disband a superhero team?
Why not just stay secret? Why try to kill these heroes? If you attack them, you're just motivating them to hunt you down and stop you. I don't think any Justice League has had the kind of elaborate intelligence gathering networks modern-day governments and militaries do, so they probably wouldn't even have known you existed until you tried to kill them.
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Date: 2012-03-09 06:32 am (UTC)Because you know, SCIENCE! XD
That's the problem I'm experiencing as I learn more about physics, biology and so on. As a kid, I accepted these things. As a slightly-older kid in an adult's body, I realize how so much doesn't make sense.
Instead of shoulder angel and shoulder devil, I have shoulder science nerd and shoulder comic book geek.
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Date: 2012-03-09 06:52 am (UTC)Given the positioning of the characters as the bomb went off, and the relative power levels, how did Godiva survive with only minor injuries, while those on either side of her sustained worse damage? Did they somehow block the damage with their bodies?
And how did Gavril die (or "die" ) when he was wearing full armor, thus arguably being the best protected of anyone who didn't have a force field or was made of armor?
(thinks way too long and hard about where the bomb must have been placed in order to deliver such damage. Maybe directly under Gavril?)
And why did they feel the need to kill or blow up most of the team, anyway? *cry*
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Date: 2012-03-09 07:14 am (UTC)And I'm really getting sick of them slowly picking off every last Giffen Leaguer. Except Jurgens' pet Booster, who actually I only ever even tolerated as a second banana to Ted. I refuse to accept Booster Gold as important no matter how much they try to make me.
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Date: 2012-03-09 08:33 am (UTC)...
In close ups, he does look like Booster Gold...but I still say, he looks more of a Booster BLUE than GOLD now, with this overall design :/
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Date: 2012-03-09 08:35 am (UTC)-sigh-
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Date: 2012-03-09 09:19 am (UTC)I mean, I can see the benefits of the UN having their own team of superpeople to call on when necessary (as both disaster relief and as a means to forcing rogue states into line, stopping pirates, genocide etc.), but the fact that they appear to be bitter that they didn't get the superhumans they'd prefer (higher tier ones like Superman etc.), coupled with the team's suspect reputations cause them to be a lot more heavy handed that they'd expect.
Really their approach would work better if, say, they had Captain Atom and other military heroes on the team (beyond General August In Iron and Rocket Red). But as it is they're trying to make mostly civilian heroes act like soldiers without any training etc., and bizarrely that ended up being a disaster.
The reputations just make them an easier target to deflect blame, which might be the issue more than Chinese!Amanda Waller was suggesting.
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Date: 2012-03-09 09:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-09 09:27 am (UTC)I'd like to trade in any other following comments I might have in exchange for Charlton Heston's "You Blew It Up" quote from Planet of the Apes.
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Date: 2012-03-09 09:29 am (UTC)"Yes?"
"If you're going to try sneaking up on these heroes and killing them, maybe the glowing faceplate isn't such a good idea?"
"But, without the glowing faceplate, how will I see on the dark rooftops?"
"..."
"...."
"You know what? Go ahead. Wear the damn glowing faceplate"
"YAY!"
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Date: 2012-03-09 09:52 am (UTC)