Snarked #7; Also, Marvel/DC done fucked up again

[superboyprime]

Four pages from the latest issue of Snarked...







Princess Scarlett offers to turn the boat around for the Walrus.



And in other Roger Langridge news, if some small part of you has still been holding onto to the slimmest of slim hopes that Marvel might one day revive the short-lived Thor, the Mighty Avenger... you can finally give it up. Langridge made public today his decision to no longer do any work for Marvel or DC because of their unethical practices.

He's joining a growing number of creators who've made that decision and can no longer in good conscience work for the Big Two because of their shameful treatment towards past creators and their heirs. "I was writing the last issue of John Carter when the news came that Marvel had won a lawsuit against the heirs of Jack Kirby... Pretty much then I figured I should finish the script I was writing and move on." Wow.

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[cleome45]

...There's also the way fans/readers are treated by some creators (and I want to add 'and companies' since, as creators on a title, I think they should be considered to be representing the company), which in some cases has come across as outright toxic...

Well, I can't speak for everyone. Still, having read either here or on ns_d about Bill Wilmingham's utter contempt for female fans, I'd think several hundred times before plunking down any money for his books. I'm sure they're wonderful stories, but... no.

I'm sure there are others, but he's the first one who came to mind for me.

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[ensiform]

Still, having read either here or on ns_d about Bill Wilmingham's utter contempt for female fans

Can you expand on this? I don't know anything about it.

[stolisomancer]

This link covers a great deal of that story.

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[cleome45]

And this is the rest.

Honestly, there are just too many good comics out there for me to waste time putting money in this asshole's bank account.

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[gerardotejada]

I think we were past this, the author does not matter. You dont like him getting your money? Steal his comics, the man does a good job, asshole or not.

And Im not beign sarcastic, please dont deprive yourself from good comics because the writer is an asshole, download them or something.

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[cleome45]

Eh... no thanks. Maybe you're past it, but I don't have to be. In the future, if I want to read his stuff, there's always a used bookstore, a yard sale, or the public library.

But honestly, Willingham made such a colossal ass of himself last year. I don't think I've since glanced at a Fables discussion without thinking, Oh, yeah. Creepy Bill, who thinks violence against women/girls is no big deal, and said so to our faces.

I'll move past it when I'm good and ready, Thanks. Though I might move past it quicker if somebody could show me a link where he apologized, and took back his bullshit comments.

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[superboyprime]

"But honestly, Willingham made such a colossal ass of himself last year. I don't think I've since glanced at a Fables discussion without thinking, Oh, yeah. Creepy Bill, who thinks violence against women/girls is no big deal, and said so to our faces."

Assuming we're talking the same Willingham comments (and apologies if we're not), that's like saying someone who said "I want to shoot people who talk in movie theaters" is endorsing actual violence against them.

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[cleome45]

No, I don't think he was endorsing actual violence. I don't recall saying that in the two threads linked above, either. And if anybody else said that, I missed it.

But it was still an assholish thing for Willingham to say, and so far as I know, he never took it back.

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[superboyprime]

There's a big stretch of space between merely assholish and thinking "violence between women is no big deal." If you realize it's a figure of speech, then I'm not sure how you concluded he's the latter.

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[cleome45]

Sorry. Let me elaborate: Willingham was able to say what he said because he doesn't understand its impact. Men perpetrate violence against women all the time IRL. It's really not the same for him to say something like that about other guys. At least I don't think so, and plenty of other people in the '11 threads agreed. Then he compounded his rudeness by trying to deny he ever said it and claiming that it wasn't really important. But he's not the sole arbiter of its importance, which is why (I presume) the whole thing blew up here in the first place.

I'm female, and it's damn well my right to say, You hold people like me in contempt and never apologized? Fuck me? Fuck YOU, too!

If you want more detail, just go and read the threads again. They're right there.

While I'm pretty jaded/cynical, I haven't yet reached the point where I assume that every man on the planet talks like a sexist fuck if he thinks he can get away with it. Some are, and they get a lot of attention precisely because they say inflammatory shit. But if I know little about a male writer-artist's public self, I'm not going to think Oh, he's as bad as all of them. He just hasn't been caught at it yet.

Therefore, given the choice between buying books from a dude who tells a good story and hasn't acted like a sexist fuck, vs. buying books from Willingham, who most assuredly has, guess which one I'm gonna' do?

As I said a couple of times already, if he apologized that changes things. But to the best of my knowledge he never has.

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[gerardotejada]

No, I didnt mean that, I mean we are past the time when author's word had any influence, I mean no matter how nice or how bastard you are, the work talk by Itself. So the first is the work and everything else comes second, cause if the work was to be bad then no one would talk about It or the author or whatever.

So I've read his Shadowpact and enjoyed It very very much, also Fables is very good and I read them without realising they were from the same author, nor did I know what he had said about Steph.

Is a petty you are missing good comics because the author is an ass, thats unfair to the comics, but I cant say is your fault. I mean I dont know what he really thinks or means but clearly he doesnt care what the fans think or mean

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[cleome45]

I don't know if the work can really be said to talk by Itself. If I hear somebody indulge in that kind of speech in public, I'm going to wonder if similar sentiments have actually spilled over into their work. It's been known to happen before.

Truthfully, I don't feel like I"m missing good comics, since there are plenty of them out there for me to read, written and drawn by all kinds of people. I'm just missing Willingham's comics, at least for the time being.