Holy cow, nobody's posted any of Batgirl #32 yet?

[perletwo]

Well, that won't do. Have two pages under here.

Long story short: Batgirl is going to war full-out against Knightfall. Naturally, she calls in the Canary for a war council.

Comments

[icon_uk]

I did wonder why Gail Simone was being so happy on tumblr about this issue... I can see why now! :)

33 should be VERY interesting!

[perletwo]

Yeah, Gail's tumblr was what got me scooting over to comixology for this.

[mrstatham]

Except this is pretty pointless because it isn't the dynamic that people loved at all from the old universe. I mean, I'm willing to see where it goes, but Barbara and Dinah don't have the same bond they used to (save for what got crammed in to BOP), and I can see the inevitable winking/nudge-nudge/'isn't this familiar but not really' jokes with Helena getting old fast, to say nothing of how contrived it is that Helena just turns up here but doesn't bring someone really handy like Karen along with her.

Also, it's only taken Simone.. What, about twenty-something issues to get Barbara to actually really try doing something about Knightfall when she's on working terms with Batman. Our hero, ladies and gentlemen.

[icon_uk]

I can't blame Gail Simone for that, since the title has been rather distracted by the editorially mandated crossovers for the past little while, no? Forever Evil/Gothtopia etc..

[mrstatham]

She still wasted time with the 'Batgirl: Murderer' subplot that went nowhere, the rubbish new Ventriloquist, and the utterly daft issues involving vampires.

[halloweenjack]

Are you seriously arguing that anyone--let alone a writer who has complained in public about which characters she can and can't write--is given a free hand to do what they want in the Batverse? Maybe Morrison was. Maybe.

[mrstatham]

In terms of her Knightfall plot going nowhere since Charise was the big villain in about issue twelve or whatever, YES. Simone could have easily spent time developing Knightfall more but she chose to waste time with her botched take on James Jr, her crummy Ventriloquist, and - again - the stupid vampire issues. No-one MADE Simone write those issues.

[bj_l]

I haven't read the issues, but with DC's grip around the creative teams throats tighter than anything that would induce orgasm in Cheryl Tunt... are you absolutely SURE that no one made her write them? That she wasn't given a specific list of what she can and can't do?

[richardak]

Also, which Huntress is this? She certainly looks more like Helena Wayne than the newly reintroduced Helena Bertinelli. So I'm with you: Why should we care?

[jaybee3]

That's the problem with the DCnU, isn't it? DC took away all the backstories and relationships these characters had (not only the BoP characters, but the JLA, JLI, JSA, Titans you name it) and then puts them together in books and expects the readers to get excited to see the characters interact as if they still had their characters intact. This Huntress is Helena Wayne not Helena Bertinelli, this Black Canary is not the old Dinah Drake Lance, legacy super-hero with ties to everybody, and this Barbara Gordon, despite Gail and DC's attempts to convince us otherwise is not the same character as the Oracle.

[tugrul]

What has Cherise done so far that is villainy? Who has she killed?

[perletwo]

Haven't been following this series closely so I don't know all the deets. But what puts Babs over the edge is, Knightfall sends her goonette to intimidate Richie into dropping his suit against Gordon/GCPD, with a deadline. When he doesn't, Richie gets his incarcerated brother Rolo's severed hand in the mail.

[starwolf_oakley]

While I dig the costume, this just makes me miss Helena Bertinelli even more. I hope to someday commission an "Arkham City take" on the Huntress.

[richardak]

Since it seems you haven't heard, you may be happy to know that Helena Bertinelli was recently reintroduced in Nightwing #30.

[starwolf_oakley]

Oh! Who *isn't* the Helena Bertinelli that Helena Wayne was impersonating in WORLD'S FINEST #1. Unless she is. Clear as mud, right?

Looking at the post, I'm wondering if that Helena Bertinelli is half-black or just more "olive-skinned" than pre-FLASHPOINT Helena was. Of course, I'm terrible when it comes to figuring out races in comic books. I didn't know Linda Park was supposed to be Asian (specifically Korean) for *years*.

[perletwo]

Pardon the partial derail, and maybe it's just because I'm so used to the old flat four-color printing style, but does it seem to you like DC's colors overall have gotten really muddy lately?

This bugged me about the last Teen Titans run especially, where everyone's skin tone would sometimes be colored exactly like Red Beast Boy's. Maybe bad printing, maybe going for funky lighting effects, but really annoying, especially in fight scenes where there was already a lot going on visually to keep track of.

[richardak]

Seeing as how she was just reintroduced, I assume we're going to learn more about her in subsequent issues. Some have speculated that she's the same Helena Bertinelli that Helena Wayne was pretending to be, but that she only faked her death. Presumably we'll find out.

Another possibility is that they are making Helena look different so that readers can easily distinguish her from Helena Wayne. Or maybe the art team was aware that Sicilians are stereotypically olive-skinned and didn't really know what that meant (and apparently never met or saw any actual Sicilians or Sicilian-Americans). Or maybe they are changing her racial background. Who knows? I don't see that it matters, but perhaps we'll find out in a future issue.

[shadowpsykie]

yeah i agree with that. it DOES make me miss Helena Bertinelli (i am excited to see her in Nightwing but still...)

[philippos42]

How many first meetings do Hunts and the Canary have now? Sarah Byam wrote one in Black Canary, then Dixon wrote a different one in BoP, now this. I wonder if I've missed any--maybe a pre-COIE one as well?

[shadowpsykie]

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