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Hey guys been a looooong time since I've posted or browsed here. So glad to see some familiar faces still around, I missed you guys.

Anyway the Avengers 2 movie made me morbidly curious as to how Vision (and Wanda for that matter) was holding up in 616, if at all. There's a shit ton about what Wanda's been up to, but barely anything about Vision during all this time so, glad I found this issue.
First issue of the 2013 annual was focusing on Vision, and at least remembering that you know, he's alive now, and who he was before.

(Forgive me if my choice of scans or the sizes are odd, I haven't done this in a while)

So Vision, the original one, is finally back in one piece. No missing emotions or whatever. I don't know the specifics, frankly I'm fine just accepting that he's back.

So they have to fight Sunturion (Dearborn), who is the company mascot to Roxxon like Iron Man is to Stark Industries.

He was experimented on by Roxxon to get the powers, but now the powers are killing him. Dearborn feels that Roxxon betrayed him because he sacrificed his own personal life to become the Roxxon mascot, and Roxxon claims they can't help him.

He has microwave powers, can alter density like Vision, and teleport. Dearborn runs away after Vision can fight him while he's phased.

I admit I included these pages mostly cause of Quicksilver's shit-eating grin.

Vision manages to track down Dearborn who is creep-stalking his ex-wife.

Vision manages to talk Dearborn down, and he accepts help from the Avengers to try to analyze his condition.

You know, it's phenomenal just how horrible of a support network the Avengers really are. Carol found that out years ago.

Anyway the Avengers can't figure out a way to help him because Roxxon claims they lost Dearborn's medical records of the process. He goes ballistic and flies off to melt more Roxxon factories.

Turns out Roxxon was still using the same process on new volunteers unaware they would die eventually.

Dearborn manages to scatter the volunteers and but Vision does somme thingy with his solar gem to absorb Dearborn for a while. But Vision uses that energy to melts the conversion machines, releasing Dearborn, and leading to Roxxon figuring they have to cut losses.

Aw! Just...d'aaw!

Personally I don't think Vision could/should reconcile with Wanda, because at this point I think she's just flat-out toxic; but at least he can connect with his kids. That's a bit of happiness he deserves right?

And about MCU Vision, if you haven't watched the movie yet, it's pretty awesome what they've done with Vision. Definitely feels like a fresh start for the character, and he got a heck of an origin and power upgrade. Paul Bettany's British accent certainly helps to make him immediately relateable, the guy's got mad charisma going through all that make-up. But he also nails the whole detachment from worldly matters feel. I think it's finally a version of Vision that actually seems to balance being uncannily human but unmistakably alien. It's just a shame he isn't in more of the film.

I am also leaving this here:

Date: 2015-05-01 02:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Again with BS Wanda is toxic from Bendis nonsense awful writing but I digress. Great issue wish their was a follow up with Vision with Billy and uh whats his name.

Date: 2015-05-01 03:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Byrne started the downward spiral from whatever vendetta he had with Vision, I just never understood why every subsequent writer just seemed to dig the hole deeper and deeper.

Byrne took the "Hey, the Vision is a lot like Spock from Star Trek" thing Roy Thomas and Co. started and decided to switch it over to "Hey, the Vision is a lot like Data from Star Trek" since it was the late 1980s and TNG was popular.

Other writers just... did what they could. I've posted pages from the Busiek/Perez run where Wanda realizes that the Vision has the emotional connection to his old memories. He just didn't want to hurt Wanda anymore. But by this point, he doesn't want Wanda to hurt him anymore.

Date: 2015-05-01 04:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erikred
Steve Englehart's "Vision and the Scarlet Witch (Vol 2)" did an outstanding job of portraying the Vision as his own evolved person. Byrne shat all over that. I'll let Steve handle the rebuttal:

As the person who wrote the story debuting the Scarlet Witch's twins, what are your thoughts on their history since then? John Byrne turning them into parts of Master Pandemonium's soul, Brian Michael Bendis revealing them to be conjured by an insane Scarlet Witch, and now Allan Heinberg reimagining them as Wiccan and Speed?

I haven't seen the latest iterations, but I've never made any secret of my disdain for what Byrne did. If you don't respect the characters or the people who came before you, why are you even in the business?

(As an aside, I'd completely forgotten how Romance Comic-ky those Vision and the Scarlet Witch covers were.)

Date: 2015-05-01 02:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Just depowering her down to a manageable level that doesn't require a world-shattering saga would be nice. So should we finally get a writer to handle her story issues, the threat of a reality collapse isn't an actual thing.

They tried to do that in The Children's Crusade, at least reducing the scale of her powers so she could only warp reality locally rather than on a planetwide basis (and helping to get her back on somewhat stable footing psychologically as well). Then she got souped back up for the Avengers vs. X-Men series and Remender's Uncanny Avengers.

Date: 2015-05-01 06:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Vision seems one of those 'stuck in his past' characters, where writers have trouble doing more than rehash old stories.

Date: 2015-05-01 08:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
He needs proper character interaction....

Hank Pym managed to recover pretty well from being stuck in a rut.

Date: 2015-05-01 09:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
He was in Avengers AI, I don't know what was done with him there...

It seems to me like he'd fit in well as an older, wiser AI who has grown more mature in understanding of both humans and artificial life. So many young AI around nowadays....

Date: 2015-05-01 09:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
An AI of Vision's level is a learning, adapting thing though. An evolving AI may occasionally need physical upgrades, but mentally not so much.

And it doesn't hurt that Vision was made at a higher tech level than many later ones.

I don't know, do the new AI characters have an hang-ups about the human thing? -

Generally I think not, but *interacting* with humans may still be a challenge to them. Vision's a foot in both worlds character in my view....

Date: 2015-05-01 07:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
He sort of comes with a built-in plot limiter as regards his nature.

If he is so human that it doesn't matter. then him being a synthezoid is an irrelevancy and should never be mentioned any more than he's right handed. And that makes him no different from any other character.

If he IS human, but doesn't realise it, either deliberately or accidentally, then he'sa walking angst generator and that can get very dull long term.

If he can never a human, then he is, in the memorable words of ST:TNG "He's a toaster" and is seen as disposable.

Usually they went for the middle option, a guy who is VERY human, but who agonises over the fact he isn't, or the first option where he's just another guy with superpowers and weird speech bubbles.

Now they seem to default to the third.

Date: 2015-05-01 12:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Avengers AI as a therapy group?

I've always thought there was room for such a thing, a get together session for the various non-organic human(-ish) entities in the MU; Vision, Quasimodo, Machinesmith, Douglock (when he was around), Jocasta...

Date: 2015-05-01 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] shadur
... Frankly, I have a problem with the whole "the Avengers are just really shitty as a support group" explanation as an excuse for "the writers just didn't give sufficient fucks about you for a while so they left your plotline dangling."

Not sure how to put it, but it just feels like a cheap excuse that lessens the characters involved (although Pietro is being a total jackass there) and absolves the writers of any blame in the matter.

Date: 2015-05-01 09:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] squirle
Wow, they actually bothered to look up Sunturion´s history!

I´d say your comment on the movie is pretty spot on, but can be extended to just about every character: "[[Character X]] was very well done, wish they got more screen time." But that's what you get with so many main characters. I'd love to see a director's cut that just adds another hour of characters just talking to one another :P

Why he got repaired

Date: 2015-05-01 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
In my headcanon, Visions self-repair systems finally kicking in originated in the lead-up to House of M.

When Magneto and Quicksilver was waiting for the Avengers and X-men to arrive in Genosha, thinking they were coming to put down Wanda like a rabid dog. Magneto knowing he couldn't stand against the combined power, and having no allies left to call.

Waiting like that for someone to come and take his familiy was much like his childhood I imagine.

So I think later, when he and Cyclops went to Avengers mansion during the Joseph incident, and he seemed really distracted and not paying attention? In my headcanon, he was using his powers to kickstart Visions self-repair systems down in the basement. He has had enough time with Vision to analyse how he works, and the powers to influence his sysetms.

Vision is an Avenger who Magneo is entirely confident is no threat to him. While actually being quite powerful against other opponents. He could be depended on to back up his family, which also happens to be Magnetos family.

In the human/mutant conflict Magneto is expecting, Vision is neither, but would come down on his familis side if anything threatens them.

Their clash later on would in my headcanon be staged.

Date: 2015-05-01 11:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scelestus
The biggest question I had: why is Giant Man enlarged, sitting cramped at that table with a tiny cup o' coffee??

Date: 2015-05-01 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Maybe it is forced perspective and he is drinking a tiny espresso?

Date: 2015-05-02 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrisdv
I'm going with "Lost a bet".

Date: 2015-05-01 10:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
Vision did get handled pretty well in Avengers AI. He was trying to be something of a negotiator/diplomat between humans and machines, helping younger human-aligned AIs/robots adapt and trying to avoid all-out war between the two 'races'. Avengers AI was really a book that needed more love because it was a pretty good character piece for a lot of the characters involved.

Date: 2015-05-02 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glprime
"Personally I don't think Vision could/should reconcile with Wanda, because at this point I think she's just flat-out toxic[...]"

Kind of agree, but any character can have a redemption arc from "bad" past stories, it's just that editorial/new writers haven't taken Wanda down any new territory to atone or even really acknowledge a lot of past actions. Kinda in the way I still want Reed Richards to atone for lingering crap from Civil War.

Date: 2015-05-12 05:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
Didn't Wiccan and Speed already have parental figures?

This also seems an appropriate time to mention that Speed looks alarmingly like Quicksilver, especially now that Magneto's not in his genetic makeup...
Edited Date: 2015-05-12 05:59 pm (UTC)


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