Daredevil #12: "Dark Art, Part III"

[superboyprime]

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[amaniwolf]

I still find this whole idea of the Inhumans doing what they want within another countries borders, kind of bizarre. Shouldn't someone eventually say, get out of our area, or obey our laws? I did enjoy the battle between Karnak and Daredevil though.

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Seriously. Why would any government let superhumans from another nation go willy nilly through their borders?

[locuatico]

It's not like there isn't a precedent, though. Asgard was given a similar deal when Thor brought it back (and then Jason Aaron took Asgardia away from Oklahoma).

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Yeah, but Thor was a founding Avenger with a decade of 'saving the world' under his belt, combined with the whole 'bad ass who can control weather' thing.

The Inhumans never had good relations with any nation, realy, and hell, didn't come out of hiding until they T-bombed the freakin' planet.

[locuatico]

Actually. it was post-"Civil War" and it was made VERY clearly that the relationship between Thor and America at the time was......... moody at best because of said civil war.

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Yeah, I remember that Thor basically strong armed Tony into it.

But he could do so because he had both the carrot (being a Founding Avenger untarnished by Civil War) and stick (ability to cripple America via weather).

Also, he was bringing his people home, not leaving them heavily armed in another nation.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

Maybe President Trump will tell them to get out!

...and then we'll see why his predecessor didn't, as they bring all their power to bear down upon us, which is what I think Matt was getting at on the fifth page up there.

[amaniwolf]

Somehow i doubt the US Government would allow anyone to act outside of it's laws, within their own borders. And even the Inhumans would suffer, staggering losses if a war broke out. It's just so strange to me. Was it addressed in another comic or something?

[q99]

The problem is New Attilan is, like, *physically* in New York City, and it cannot leave, and is so full of important Inhuman stuff and inhuman technology & weaponry that even if relocating the population was viable it wouldn't really be a very good idea (like "a third of the supervillains in the hemisphere would swarm on it like locusts if it was suddenly abandoned.").

They did make legal deals where they handle Inhuman related stuff and in return they respect the US in a lot of ways, iirc.

Also, the raw practicality matter that they have the firepower to back it up- in NYC, no less. And they don't have to threaten to use this force exactly, but the US can't help but know it's there. In order to evict them by force, you'd either need a huge military force (very bad), or a large superhuman force- something like a mass gathering of avengers or much of the Mutant community.

[long_silence]

The Inhumans have a teleporting dog, a teleporting Inhuman doorway, and a system that lets them teleport weapons from their hidden armory on the moon. There are Inhumans like Crystal and Flint who can move the ground underneath Attilan, or Grid who can move the metal in the city. Attilan was recently capable of lifting itself off of Earth to move to the Moon, and then even more recent became spaceworthy and capable of flying interstellar distances allowing the Inhumans to travel to Hala in the Kree Empire and then fly back to Earth when they got bored ruling an entire galactic empire.

Between the powers they have available and the technology that they are so proud of, moving the city shouldn't be a problem.

[q99]

Yes, they can move people via teleportation (which would still be a very significant effort to move 'em all), and the city *used* to be able to move, but move the whole city now? It can't do that any more, it broke, plenty of pieces of it broke *off*, and there's no fix in sight to that capability. Crystal and Flint and Grid could... budge it a little, but they aren't going to get it *to* anywhere.

[long_silence]

It's not that significant. They evacuated all of old Attilan using Eldrac last time in a few hours. Hell Medusa is on a team with Singularity, another teleporter who can teleport huge masses of beings without any issue.

And if the systems that made the city capable of flying are broken, why not fix them? The amount of vehicles and materials available to the R.I.V. show that the Inhumans have a ton of resources, and anything they don't have they can probably get from SHIELD. Plus while Beast wasn't part of the science team that raised Asteroid M off of the ocean floor and created Utopia, but he could probably replicate their work.

[q99]

But you do not want to leave an island full of supertech- and weapons!- open for grabs (even some *parts* that broke off got supervillains grabbing for it)

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And if the systems that made the city capable of flying are broken, why not fix them?-

Because they're gigantic engines massively damaged, putting the amount of capacity needed to lift even the largest ships to shame.

-Plus while Beast wasn't part of the science team that raised Asteroid M off of the ocean floor and created Utopia, but he could probably replicate their work.-

Note that new Attilan is likely larger than Utopia, and needs to fly over highly populated area, not just surfacing in the ocean.

Even a sputtering start means part of NYC gets crushed.

[long_silence]

You're clearly making up and bending over backwards to defend this contrived situation however you can. Fair enough that's your prerogative.

But no matter how much we argue I'm not going to give the Inhumans who left this city floating over New York the benefit of the doubt if they were concerned about any of these issues when they decided to blow it up with a potentially reality shredding T-Bomb. If they were worried about the nearby population center being crushed or pieces of their technology falling into the wrong hands, maybe they should have used their huge galaxy spanning engines to move the city to a deserted area where there was less chance of collateral damage. Thanos was after them anyways, he would have followed their city anywhere.

Plus you know they're over the Hudson river and could just follow that path towards the ocean. There's probably a few bridges they would break along the way but again, Grid is moves metal and the Inhumans should be able to fix any damage they cause

Hell if they wanted to they could print "Attilan is back in the Himilayas" in braille and Reader could handle all of this for them.

[q99]

-You're clearly making up and bending over backwards to defend this contrived situation however you can. Fair enough that's your prerogative.-

I don't think it's that contrived to say "Cities in the middle of cities are hard to move."

I mean, the fact it's damaged, it crashed, the 'supervills would go for it'? All stuff from the comics, I'm not just no-prizing on that.

And I think comic superscience is sometimes treated as too easy a fix for things. Some stuff is just... big, and takes a lot of time and resources to do even if you've got very very smart people.

I mean, throw in Inhuman isolationist tendencies meaning they're probably not outsourcing 'how do we fix our city-engines' to other super scientists to boot....

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But no matter how much we argue I'm not going to give the Inhumans who left this city floating over New York the benefit of the doubt if they were concerned about any of these issues when they decided to blow it up with a potentially reality shredding T-Bomb. If they were worried about the nearby population center being crushed or pieces of their technology falling into the wrong hands, maybe they should have used their huge galaxy spanning engines to move the city to a deserted area where there was less chance of collateral damage. Thanos was after them anyways, he would have followed their city anywhere.-

Now *that* I agree with.

-Grid is moves metal and the Inhumans should be able to fix any damage they cause-

I still don't think Grid has that scale of powers...

-Hell if they wanted to they could print "Attilan is back in the Himilayas" in braille and Reader could handle all of this for them.-

Ditto Reader. Even as powerful as his reads are.

Superpowers do have limits.

[gnarll]

Black Bolt.

If the guy can intimidate Cosmics like Watchers, the government probably doesn't want any kind of outright clash with him. Even though I believe they are still at war with the Inhumans, it may be like the war with North Korea. Technically a war but no-one wants to start anything because both sides have such a huge potential to case damage.

[cyberghostface]

Jesus Christ, even DD's not safe from the Inhumans now.

[aperturedreams]

Well, they have the same writer.

[mizerous]

There is no escape...

[lbd_nytetrayn]

"So, what color was the guy's costume? That might help us pick him out better."

"Uh..."

(Unless Matt can somehow identify colors?)

[lilacsigil]

In some very early issues he could roughly differentiate colours by touch, but that went away and it's been clear since that he definitely can't see colour.