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"Preemptive Inhuman genocide"?

Later, Mosaic jumps into Cyclops, and he sees some of Magneto's memories left over from when Mosaic had jumped into him.

Date: 2017-02-01 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll

Cyclops didn't actually DO ANYTHING, Emmas mirage of CYCLOPS didn't DO ANYTHING, Black Bolt released the Terrigen clouds and DID kill Cyclops, even if it was indirect. There is some fairly obvious legal culpability there.

And why are the Nuhumans even on the Inhumans side?? I can see that the actually born and raised Inhumans may consider their culture and powers more important than the lives of a bunch of foreigners they don't know at all.

But why does people like Kamala, Nur, Moon Girl, Inferno etc who only found out recently that they were Inhumans have such an attachment to their terrigenesis that they are willing to support a genocide over it. They've never seemed the "easy genocide" sort of characters.

Date: 2017-02-01 03:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
For whatever reason, the X-Men haven't told anyone about Beast's discovery that the Mists are going to blanket the entire Earth and render the planet deadly to mutants. I imagine if the Nuhumans knew, it might change things.

Date: 2017-02-01 03:33 pm (UTC)
reveen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reveen
It doesn't say anything about the X-Men Scott. All it means is that a lot of people are very, very stupid.

I'm really tired of Marvel writers pretending that being hated by the general public is a valid source of angst for superheroes. Being a superhero in the Marvel universe for more than five minutes should by all accounts inoculate you from giving a shit about whatever dumbass shit the civvies think.
Edited Date: 2017-02-01 03:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-01 03:58 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I'm really tired of them not giving good reasons for being disliked.

Someone being disliked for their actions is ok.

Date: 2017-02-02 10:55 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. It was quite charming and silly to have Spider-Man 'hated' in the 60's, but at this point, the citizens of the Marvel Universe should be spending every waking minute praising these people whatever bullshit is threatening to destroy their lives this week.

Really. They're preposterously unappreciative. If I were Spider-Man, at this point I'd have thrown up my hands and told them to handle the situation, next time.

Date: 2017-02-02 01:06 pm (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
As readers, we're privy to a lot more information than your average Marvel civilian. Maybe they should consider something more "on the ground" that covers this sort of stuff from their point of view, that might actually be able to rationalize why they behave this way, even if not justify it.

Date: 2017-02-02 02:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
And, the thing is, mutants and specifically Scott have spent a fair amount of time popular too. They aren't just being unappreciative by habit, it's a reaction that is out of the worst periods of the mutant's public image.

Date: 2017-02-01 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Y'know, it really does sound like Scott is advocating mutant genocide.

Like, he's saying the Inhumans are right and the Mutants are wrong to protect themselves from being wiped out.
That's majorly screwed up.

Date: 2017-02-01 03:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Or, at *best*, living in fear and isolation from the cloud.

The cloud which is not required for anyone to live.

Date: 2017-02-01 03:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I wonder how much of the pro-Inhuman arguments are mandated by Perlmutter and co. or if the writers actually want us to think "Yes this is a morally ambiguous situation".

Date: 2017-02-02 10:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't really know how much say Perlmutter has in these things anymore. I could understand it while he had some say in the movies - I don't think it's any mistake this Inhuman stuff all seems to be coming to a boil after we've been told they're not going to have a movie - but didn't Feige basically get Disney to have him back off/reassigned? I'm not sure.

Date: 2017-02-01 05:03 pm (UTC)
every_spiegel: (ka-mai)
From: [personal profile] every_spiegel
All this drama seems so frigging forced.

Date: 2017-02-01 06:14 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I wonder how this will go if/when Scott confronts Emma.

"You KNEW what this would do to me AND YOU DIDN'T CARE!"
"I'm Emma Frost. I never care."

Date: 2017-02-01 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I hope she just blast his mind with Right!Clops memories. Make him see everything from Second Coming onward from his adult self's perspective and then we will see how he feels.

This stupid shit is the one thing keeping me from bonding with Tyke. Like if Tyke doesn't like how Cyke did things then fine I can live with that, but Tyke being fed all these half truths and bullshit from everyone around him drives me nuts.

Date: 2017-02-01 11:59 pm (UTC)
quatoria: An extreme close-up of my eye, with the blade of a knife just barely touching the bottom edge of my pupil. (Default)
From: [personal profile] quatoria
Actually, yeah. That would be ideal. But they're not going to do that. This is their reset button to claw cyclops back to who they want him to be, with none of his adult complexity left intact.

Date: 2017-02-02 02:48 am (UTC)
tugrul: That Chest (Default)
From: [personal profile] tugrul
Dennis Hopeless is the worst of them all when it comes to getting Cyclops right. Otherwise Young!Cyclops has been well enough to read. His own series with Corsair was especially good.

Date: 2017-02-02 10:59 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Well, yeah. His solo series had the benefit of Rucka, at first. The guy leaves Hopeless so far behind in the dust it's hilarious.

Date: 2017-02-02 10:44 am (UTC)
lamashtar: "Wolverine does not appear in this issue" (Wolverine not appearing in this issue)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
You say complexity, I say immoral douchebag..

Date: 2017-02-02 11:00 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Since when? What's he done wrong?

Date: 2017-02-02 11:34 am (UTC)
tugrul: That Chest (Default)
From: [personal profile] tugrul
He cheated on Jean 😂

Date: 2017-02-02 01:33 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: "Wolverine does not appear in this issue" (Wolverine not appearing in this issue)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Seconding Tugrul. Cyclops was irreparably tarnished since they brought Jean back and started his marital problems with Maddie. I have argued til I was blue in the face but it doesn't restore his integrity.

Date: 2017-02-01 07:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
Emma dies thus completing the cycle of Cyclops' misery.
Edited Date: 2017-02-01 07:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-02 10:45 am (UTC)
lamashtar: "Wolverine does not appear in this issue" (Wolverine not appearing in this issue)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Nah. She needs to be restored to villainy. This idiotic "she CARED about the CHILDREN" retcon can finally be wiped out.

Date: 2017-02-02 01:08 pm (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I prefer "good" Emma, personally.

Date: 2017-02-02 01:37 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: "Wolverine does not appear in this issue" (Wolverine not appearing in this issue)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Don't despair. My experience is that, as much as I want villain Emma back, as dumb as I think the 'good' characterization is, it will always be a bait and switch. She will be revealed in the end to be a Misunderstood Hero.

Date: 2017-02-03 09:47 pm (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Yes, well, luckily, there are plenty of reprint and trades from the 70s and 80s to read.

Date: 2017-02-02 08:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
If Scott was more like a normal teen boy, he'd take a look at her tits and forget what he came for.

Date: 2017-02-01 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] owlbrigade1
This seems like a set up for Marvel's Civil War III. No, really, it does. I hope I am wrong, but it does seem like the set up to a massively divisive multicrossover event where heroes arbitrarily are assigned a "side" to support.

Date: 2017-02-01 08:38 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
(From "Waiting for the Trade")
"Why are you fighting me."
"I switched sides in a miniseries no one read."

Date: 2017-02-02 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Y'know, the reasons are bullshit, but the dynamic I find actually... Vaguely interesting. Scott having a huge grudge against his future self's former lover is just such a comic-book thing... They could do something fun with that.

Date: 2017-02-02 10:48 am (UTC)
lamashtar: "Wolverine does not appear in this issue" (Wolverine not appearing in this issue)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I like it too. It preserves continuity while restoring some clarity to the relationship.

Date: 2017-02-02 04:14 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Oh great. Now Emma's the villain

Date: 2017-02-02 11:45 am (UTC)
tugrul: That Chest (Default)
From: [personal profile] tugrul
I think she will become more prominent but I'm holding out high hopes it doesn't come to everyone having to take down big boss Emma. Because I would root for her.

Also, how lame that this issue is released before event main title #4. These are a lot of spoilers here and the same creative team for All-New X-Men #17, same title, issue before, where Young!Bobby and Romeo run off during the first attack has Bobby standing with the rest of the O5!

Date: 2017-02-02 08:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
This weeks Jay and Miles X-Plain the X-Men includes the un-bleeped out version of Dennis Hopeless's explanation for the Cyclops "Noodle Incident", and it's.... not what anyone was expecting.


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