Date: 2017-04-16 04:34 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
The chin spike presupposes the hand that it spikes.

Date: 2017-04-16 06:54 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Atomic Robo Twitch)
From: [personal profile] zylly
They never seemed to settle on what they want to do with J'onn in the nu52. The last couple pushed have generally been towards the heroic, but he's not the heart and soul of the League like he should be.

And it's pretty much impossible to picture the old J'onn so casually playing with his friends' minds. He'd consider it a gross ethical violation.

Date: 2017-04-16 07:05 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
There was even the whole thing about how during the 5 year skip J'onn joined the league and ended up fighting them and I don't think that story was *ever* explained.

It was one of the few crossovers between main DC lineups and Wildstorm lineups, so it's basically J'onn as a Wildstorm character, but it had two flaws. One, it wasn't quite explained completely. Two, it was a one-way thing, DC had a major character in a Wildstorm team, no major Wildstorm characters were in traditionally DC teams (the closest was Fairchild in Superboy, and even that was temporary).

Date: 2017-04-16 07:18 pm (UTC)
draganoche: Dreams define Reality (Default)
From: [personal profile] draganoche
Hmm, I wonder how things would turn out if instead of Cyborg, they had the Engineer be one of the founding members of the justice league?

Date: 2017-04-16 08:48 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
That might've helped integrate the two, though having Vic in that position was important too- he was pretty heavily underused but he was the only non-white member of the team.

I'm thinking like, put 2~ Gen 13 members with the Titans. Have a WildCat or Stormwatch person either there from the start or join the JLA fast (Fuji, maybe? Winter? Battalion? There's a couple options. Also, not expanding the JLA was a mistake in general, they announced an expanded lineup and then for some reason didn't go through with it).

Oh yea, and they could try reinventing the characters some. Have a white character be non-white or such... for all that they changed people's personalities, they were overall pretty darn non-adventurous. They did make a woman Atom (who they made a villain...) and a new non-evil Doctor Light, but that was about it for experimenting.

Date: 2017-04-16 10:24 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Yes, that'd be a good angle, especially incorporating a DC organization into it.

Also it is kinda annoying that everyone seems to have forgotten that Henry Bendix wasn't always a villain. Though using Jackson King or Christie in that role would help alleviate the 'of course he's going to turn on them!' pull of narrative inertia.

Date: 2017-04-16 07:22 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
I thought they eventually explained the fight as a false memory, but I might be wrong.

Date: 2017-04-16 08:37 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Honestly I have no idea, I know SW eventually went through heavy retcons.

Date: 2017-04-16 07:01 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
He eventually got rid of the chin spike :)


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