Not that it isn't interesting to see these pencils(though they're so tight there's really not that much that we don't see in the inks), but, this "pop-up" commentary is not very interesting. There's something weird about doing that with something that's still more or less current. That bit about the contrast between Barry's and Hal's deaths? No, REALLY, Johns? Wow, I'd have never gotten that out of the fact you said it straight out in the dialogue. I am not sure how much use such things are with Johns anyway, given his habit of having dialogue like characterization talking points quite often. There's nothing mysterious about what he means. He repeats it over and over. So why commentary?
Pretty much. Their hands seem too tied by not being able to reveal anything about the storyline. Other than the Atom thing, this is stuff we all already knew.
Again, it's the dark and the light of the DCU, really exemplified by Batman and Green Lantern.
HEE.
Not like I'm all that enthusiastic about that line when it's Clark, either - I have issues with characters being given in-universe importance that makes no sense in-universe and is based entirely on their meta - but at least Clark has the meta and the actual in-character personality to back it up, you know?
I don't deny he really likes Clark and writes him well, but it never seemed to come close to his uber stick-him-everywhere mancrush on Hal. To me, anyway.
"Yeah Hal. Let's blame it all on the yellow space bug. By the way you looked like a dick with grey hair. Do not start shit with me, I make children cry for a living. I'm Batman bitch"
" Hahahaha Hall you dumbass, you think I wouldn't have a plan for my genitals getting crushed. My special Bat Mechanical Penis was in place! You destroyed a replica of my junk, not the real thing!"
"Jesus Bruce, we don't need to know all your plans...."
Absolutely right! Hal's funeral, where he was buried as a despited, hated criminal, obviously serves as a perfect contrast between the two heroes post mortem!
Shit, you're right, I keep forgetting we're operating on DCT. The Didio Continuity Timeline.
Please return your trays to the upright position and forget anything happened between the years of 1994 and 2000. You guys don't care about any of that, right?
Well, yes. That was Hal Jordan from when he was still kind of a rookie in the GLC, and he was kinda upset about the whole "Oh shit, you mean I did what before I died?" thing.
Hal wasn't there. So who told him what his funeral was like, lying through their teeth...? Ah. "It was an awful scene, Hal. The Teen Titans put grafitti all over your tomb. The Justice Society lined up, one after the other, to spit on your grave. Alan Scott said you weren't fit to carry on his name. The Outsiders and Doom Patrol got together for an impromptu orgy as the coffin was being lowered, and you don't want to KNOW what those stains were on your statue. We tried to clean them up, but it was a good thing you blew up that statue..." "Really, Bruce?" "But--but-- that's not the way it happened, Bruce..." "Clark. Spare Hal the most revolting details. The same way I'd NEVER reveal the photos of Mxyzptlk and how he transformed you and Lois in the middle of your honeymoon....right, Clark?" "Oh...? Oh. Right. Absolutely, Bruce. Hal, I'm sorry to say but Bruce is trying to spare your feelings and not tell you the worst that happened..."
Ok, so I dug this up to show a friend and noticed where Johns is commenting on how Ivans version of Barry's funeral looks great. Something occurs to me though, was Barry's funeral ever actually shown before now? The way I figured it went was
CoIE - Barry dies, Wally becomes Flash. Off panel, never shown -- Barry's funeral, Wally choosing to reveal Barry as Flash to the world Flash Vol. 3 #1 -- Wally as flash
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Date: 2009-07-31 01:39 am (UTC)Not that it isn't interesting to see these pencils(though they're so tight there's really not that much that we don't see in the inks), but, this "pop-up" commentary is not very interesting. There's something weird about doing that with something that's still more or less current. That bit about the contrast between Barry's and Hal's deaths? No, REALLY, Johns? Wow, I'd have never gotten that out of the fact you said it straight out in the dialogue. I am not sure how much use such things are with Johns anyway, given his habit of having dialogue like characterization talking points quite often. There's nothing mysterious about what he means. He repeats it over and over. So why commentary?
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Date: 2009-07-31 01:42 am (UTC)This, the last feature, is the 'director's commentary' for Blackest Night #0.
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Date: 2009-07-31 01:46 am (UTC)Pretty much. Their hands seem too tied by not being able to reveal anything about the storyline. Other than the Atom thing, this is stuff we all already knew.
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Date: 2009-07-31 01:49 am (UTC)You're joking, right, Johns? Ask Ambush Bug, he knows: SALES.
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Date: 2009-07-31 01:51 am (UTC)I do kinda disbelieve that the whole death parade of recent years was a carefully orchestrated plan.
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-31 02:25 am (UTC)HEE.
Not like I'm all that enthusiastic about that line when it's Clark, either - I have issues with characters being given in-universe importance that makes no sense in-universe and is based entirely on their meta - but at least Clark has the meta and the actual in-character personality to back it up, you know?
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:35 am (UTC)nothing to do with quality, i just think it'd be funny.
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:40 am (UTC)"Bruce maybe you shouldn't spy on all us heroes."
"At least I never killed thousands of people and nearly destroyed all life in the universe."
".........dick"
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:44 am (UTC)Hal's untouchable!
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-31 02:53 am (UTC)Hal: 'Now you're Batwoman.'
Clark: 'Great Rao, Parallax is back!'
Hal: 'No, he was just pissing me off.'
Clark: '... We...we're allowed to do that?'
Diana: 'No!'
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:56 am (UTC)"Jesus Bruce, we don't need to know all your plans...."
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Date: 2009-07-31 06:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-31 03:20 am (UTC)Guess which three characters and Corps never even *appear* in the book?
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Date: 2009-07-31 03:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-31 03:30 am (UTC)The cover's a lie!
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Date: 2009-07-31 02:34 pm (UTC)Except it's not.
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Date: 2009-07-31 04:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-31 04:12 pm (UTC)Please return your trays to the upright position and forget anything happened between the years of 1994 and 2000. You guys don't care about any of that, right?
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Date: 2009-07-31 08:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-01 11:58 am (UTC)Ah.
"It was an awful scene, Hal. The Teen Titans put grafitti all over your tomb. The Justice Society lined up, one after the other, to spit on your grave. Alan Scott said you weren't fit to carry on his name. The Outsiders and Doom Patrol got together for an impromptu orgy as the coffin was being lowered, and you don't want to KNOW what those stains were on your statue. We tried to clean them up, but it was a good thing you blew up that statue..."
"Really, Bruce?"
"But--but-- that's not the way it happened, Bruce..."
"Clark. Spare Hal the most revolting details. The same way I'd NEVER reveal the photos of Mxyzptlk and how he transformed you and Lois in the middle of your honeymoon....right, Clark?"
"Oh...? Oh. Right. Absolutely, Bruce. Hal, I'm sorry to say but Bruce is trying to spare your feelings and not tell you the worst that happened..."
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Date: 2009-08-02 04:59 am (UTC)CoIE - Barry dies, Wally becomes Flash.
Off panel, never shown -- Barry's funeral, Wally choosing to reveal Barry as Flash to the world
Flash Vol. 3 #1 -- Wally as flash
Am I missing an issue or two in between there?
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Date: 2009-08-03 05:10 pm (UTC)