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Long time readers probably notice that if anything, the politics are less heavy handed nowadays. There was absolutely nothing subtle about the messages in 80s comics. It's just you were younger when you read them. -- Nick Spencer










"You were the only person who saw me as I truly am--"













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Date: 2017-08-08 11:40 pm (UTC)This isn't exactly less heavy handed or more subtle, Nick.
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Date: 2017-08-09 01:36 am (UTC)It's especially awkward reading him trying to insert comics-related criticism in-universe.
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Date: 2017-08-09 01:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-08-09 01:49 am (UTC)Part of the public hating Sam as Captain America was kept vague. It wasn't clear what everyone hated, unless it was simply "A black guy as Captain America." And I *hope* it wasn't that simple.
Was it "Sam Wilson was never in the military?" "Sam Wilson is a communist"? "Sam Wilson is trying to *improve* things in a way Steve Rogers never did and he should just stick to hitting villains with his mighty shield?"
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Date: 2017-08-09 05:27 pm (UTC)Seriously, what the hell? This response was extremely inappropriate.
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Date: 2017-08-09 07:00 pm (UTC)So when you respond to a post about Secret Empire going on about how Sam's not the REAL Captain America, it doesn't paint you in a flattering light.
Is Miles not the REAL Spider-Man?
Is Kamala not the REAL Ms. Marvel?
Is Kate not the REAL Hawkeye?
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Date: 2017-08-24 05:12 pm (UTC)That's a load of bullshit and you know it. Just because Spencer is using the views of critics of his comics and putting them into strawmen doesn't mean said critics' views are any less valid. If Red Skull were to say "Vote Bernie" that doesn't mean anyone who supported Bernie Sanders are therefore on the side of the Red Skull.
"Is Miles not the REAL Spider-Man?
Is Kamala not the REAL Ms. Marvel?
Is Kate not the REAL Hawkeye?"
I don't know the context behind the others but the REAL Spider-Man is Peter Parker. There's a reason why sales dropped when Ben Reilly took over because he wasn't the REAL Spider-Man. Miles would be better served with his own superhero identity at this point anyway.
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Date: 2017-08-09 04:56 am (UTC)In fact, the public cheered Tony for doing pretty much the same thing, as well as turning on Captain America (ver. Rogers) for, among other things, not knowing what NASCAR is.
Wow, the more I think about it the less I like the MU, simply because people in general are dicks who don't deserve heroes.
I think the public didn't like Sam Wilson simply because he was Sam Wilson
Date: 2017-08-09 09:39 pm (UTC)Re: I think the public didn't like Sam Wilson simply because he was Sam Wilson
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Date: 2017-08-09 11:39 am (UTC)Hell, in the original Englehart Story, Steve announces he's no longer going to be Cap...and then becomes Nomad in a couple of issues, has a replacement who immediately gets killed and then puts the costume back afterwards. There's a minor crossover with the Avengers, but that's about it.
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Date: 2017-08-09 08:27 pm (UTC)I mean, Secret Empire has a bunch of problems, and it *is* fairly unsubtle, but the problems have more to do with the format and actual writing than it somehow being less subtle.
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Date: 2017-08-09 02:59 pm (UTC)And that was STILL significantly less heavy handed than any of this, because it felt like a natural progression of the characters, whereas nothing about this story feels natural.
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Date: 2017-08-10 09:00 am (UTC)The fact it cropped up in a conversation about the despicable behaviour shown towards female creators who were out celebrating Flo Steinberg's life is almost a secondary consideration as far as I can tell
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