I've heard of it, but I'm a bit of a dilettante when it comes to science, really - I stick around for the interesting bits, then leave when it gets into the technical aspects. My previous encounters with quantum physics/mechanics can basically be summed up as 'wait - so science has confirmed that there ARE alternate universes? COOL!' I think what you're saying is that weres are kind of in-between creatures, as magic doesn't really explain them, and science denies that they COULD exist - therefore their existence, in this case, puts them in a separate category from either. Neither science nor magic really works as a method of explaining them; they contain aspects of each - so until one or the other explanation can be pushed forward, they are sci-magical, as it were. They don't have an explanation, they just ARE.
Yes exactly. I'm not that great at explaining science. I wonder if there is a way to have them be aware of that sort of situation without it becoming too complicated?
Maybe have them afraid of losing their sci-magical status as an added motive for their secrecy. That way they would have a reason to stay hidden in an increasingly tolerant world. One of the things that gets me about the marvel universe is the way it treats mutants. The fact that there seems to have been no advancement of tolerance makes it a difficult world to relate to. With the added motivation of protecting this secret there could still be plenty of stories about intolerance but "racism" wouldn't have to become a crutch.
I think a more concrete way of putting it would be that they're afraid of being rounded up and experimented on if their secret ever got out. As long as they remain semi-mythical creatures, then they have a fair amount of freedom - any isolated were sightings will likely be explained away as the result of drunkenness or mass hysteria - but if they are ever revealed as actual creatures living amongst us, then A: people will freak the hell out at having lived alongside monsters all this time, and B: they will be poked and prodded as scientific curiosities. (There would probably also be racial memories of the burnings of suspected werewolves that occurred in medieval Europe.) As long as regular society argues amongst itself as to whether weres ever existed at all, let alone whether they exist today, they can continue living in peace; if the argument is ever concluded in favor of the theory that yes, they do exist - boom. Goodbye peace. So in that sense, I think their sci-magical status would indeed be very precious to them.
I just realized that we've been writing about this for five days give or take. Do you think there is a way to get this done? I'm not a very good writer but I'm tempted to try putting something together. Maybe I should do some research about weres in different cultures then come up with an outline of a world. We would need to fine tune it a bit before doing anything else.
Well if I had my choice I'd say big budget, animated TV series on HBO (that way we don't have to worry about censoring any half-human nudity). But as much as I'd like to do this (and have money-fights were we throw handfuls of $100 bills at each other) I doubt it would work out.
A comic would be good but as little talent as I have for writing I have far far less for drawing. Writing can be improved by working together but I don't know what talent you might have for art.
I think a great way to go would be a series of written stories. Something like Hydrogen Guy. If you haven't heard of him: here is an archive of his stories (http://jim.unitedheroes.net/hguy//archive1s.html). This way we could publish a chapter at a time without worrying about putting out an entire novel.
Of course I'm planing this as though we have no professional help. I have no idea how to pitch an idea like this or who to pitch it to.
I'm not sure I like the idea of doing it purely as an online thing. Sure, I find stuff like this enjoyable, but if there's a way that I might be PAID for doing an enjoyable thing, I'll leap on it. Speaking for myself, I'm strapped for cash, and acquiring at least some of said cash through a creative venture such as this one would be a lovely thing. Mind you, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it, if that's the only option, but I think it would be wise to pursue other avenues first. I have little talent for art - not realistic art, anyway; my artwork tends to be pretty cartoony, and while I've been told it's not bad, I think relative realism would the direction to go for this sort of project. Still, artists can be found on the web to handle stuff like this; there's a message board on DeviantArt for just this sort of situation. Mind you, I'm not saying that such a process is easy - I myself have been trying to break into the comics industry through my writing, and have been trying to find an artist to team up with - and one way or another, it largely hasn't worked (although I actually have been talking to this guy recently who I think might do the job). Still, there are plenty of avenues I haven't exhausted yet - craigslist, for instance - and if we can come up with a good script and pitch for a series, we might just be able to find someone who might help us out. As it happens, I DO have access to professional help - kind of. It's very unofficial, but I actually have an agent, of sorts - that is to say, I'm in touch with this girl who has agreed to act as my agent, once I actually have some marketable work. I've met her, and she seems to know a good deal about publishing and so forth - she might be able to help us out here in terms of pitching our idea to someone. In any case, this is probably not the best place to continue this discussion. I suggest we exchange E-mails, then talk about this some more.
I could use some extra money myself. I was thinking along the lines of: hope we can get others involved but plan as though we had no help. I was unsure where to go for such help but it sounds like you have some good ideas on where to start. Ok I'm going to send an e-mail to the address listed in your IJ profile with the subject: The archenemy project. Lets see what we can put together.
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Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 05:07 am (UTC)I think what you're saying is that weres are kind of in-between creatures, as magic doesn't really explain them, and science denies that they COULD exist - therefore their existence, in this case, puts them in a separate category from either. Neither science nor magic really works as a method of explaining them; they contain aspects of each - so until one or the other explanation can be pushed forward, they are sci-magical, as it were. They don't have an explanation, they just ARE.
Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 05:43 am (UTC)Maybe have them afraid of losing their sci-magical status as an added motive for their secrecy. That way they would have a reason to stay hidden in an increasingly tolerant world. One of the things that gets me about the marvel universe is the way it treats mutants. The fact that there seems to have been no advancement of tolerance makes it a difficult world to relate to. With the added motivation of protecting this secret there could still be plenty of stories about intolerance but "racism" wouldn't have to become a crutch.
Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 06:33 am (UTC)Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 07:27 am (UTC)Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 10:11 am (UTC)Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 11:38 am (UTC)A comic would be good but as little talent as I have for writing I have far far less for drawing. Writing can be improved by working together but I don't know what talent you might have for art.
I think a great way to go would be a series of written stories. Something like Hydrogen Guy. If you haven't heard of him: here is an archive of his stories (http://jim.unitedheroes.net/hguy//archive1s.html). This way we could publish a chapter at a time without worrying about putting out an entire novel.
Of course I'm planing this as though we have no professional help. I have no idea how to pitch an idea like this or who to pitch it to.
Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-18 09:37 pm (UTC)I have little talent for art - not realistic art, anyway; my artwork tends to be pretty cartoony, and while I've been told it's not bad, I think relative realism would the direction to go for this sort of project. Still, artists can be found on the web to handle stuff like this; there's a message board on DeviantArt for just this sort of situation. Mind you, I'm not saying that such a process is easy - I myself have been trying to break into the comics industry through my writing, and have been trying to find an artist to team up with - and one way or another, it largely hasn't worked (although I actually have been talking to this guy recently who I think might do the job). Still, there are plenty of avenues I haven't exhausted yet - craigslist, for instance - and if we can come up with a good script and pitch for a series, we might just be able to find someone who might help us out.
As it happens, I DO have access to professional help - kind of. It's very unofficial, but I actually have an agent, of sorts - that is to say, I'm in touch with this girl who has agreed to act as my agent, once I actually have some marketable work. I've met her, and she seems to know a good deal about publishing and so forth - she might be able to help us out here in terms of pitching our idea to someone.
In any case, this is probably not the best place to continue this discussion. I suggest we exchange E-mails, then talk about this some more.
Re: Archenemy
Date: 2009-08-19 07:13 am (UTC)I was unsure where to go for such help but it sounds like you have some good ideas on where to start.
Ok I'm going to send an e-mail to the address listed in your IJ profile with the subject: The archenemy project. Lets see what we can put together.