Ick.

[mysteryfan.insanejournal.com]

From Final Crisis #5. Written by Grant Morrison, art by J.G. Jones and Alex Sinclair.

It surprised me. I wasn't reading FC when this came out in December, so I don't know if we discussed it on old s_d at the time. I looked around online to see if anybody had really talked about it and then ran across this, too:


From Action Comics #872. Written by Geoff Johns, art by Pete Woods and Brad Anderson.

Both are on Everyday is Like Wednesday, here:
http://everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com/2008/12/should-dc-maybe-have-some-kind-of-rule.html
Post subtitled: Should DC maybe have some kind of rule about the maximum
number of books that can be released in a single week in which the villains discuss raping Supergirl?

This also came out in December of 2008:




From Superman/Supergirl Maelstrom. Written by Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray, art by Phil Noto.

The Phil Noto art's gorgeous. Here are two direct links with much better resolution:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll125/mysteryfan/m1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll125/mysteryfan/m2.jpg

Comments

[runespoor7.insanejournal.com]

Same here, but it would still be a shaky if not disingenuous example to use as a primary proof.

I like to think that Jim wouldn't have done it even if Bruce had been a little more trusting.

[bluefall.insanejournal.com]

Well, he could use TJK, I suppose.... -.-

I like to think that Jim wouldn't have done it even if Bruce had been a little more trusting.

I don't know. Jim's in about the most dubious place he's been, morally, in maybe his whole history there. He hadn't been a cop for more than a year. He was running a gang. A relatively benevolent one sure, but they weren't standing for law and order, there was no law. They didn't bring people in or worry about due process, they beat the tar out of or outright killed the Other Guys in order to drive them off. Jim was making deals with Two-Face and trying to claim territory and spending a huge chunk of the year not being able to trust Batman. And his wife just died, stupidly, for no reason, at the hands of the same guy who paralyzed his daughter, stupidly, for no reason (remember, Jim's the one who would have taken care of Babs during her recovery, so he knows exactly what the price was there). He's got nothing but reasons to do it and he's coming off twelve months being trained into a mindset that would see nothing wrong with it. As strong as Jim is, that still seems like too much to me.

[runespoor7.insanejournal.com]

I wonder how obvious it is to the various villains of the DCU how susceptible to the persons-he-loves-being-targets Batman is. Brother Eye was aware of it, but the rest?

I'd like to note that just because Batman won't kill whoever killed/hurt one of his loved ones - because this ain't an alternate Earth or an Elseworlds - doesn't mean that villains would be less afraid of him. After all, fear's irrational. Otherwise everyone would be a lot more scared of Superman than Batman, if we went by the criteri of the things they could do to you.

Another side note: I find it fascinating that all of the people Bruce loves, he's met through Batman, with the exception of Alfred and Leslie, and all or almost all of them are heroes themselves. He's definitely aware of the risk people close to him could be in, so the only people he lets get close are people who have the best chances at getting out of trouble.

For Jim, I think it could've gone both ways. You're right, given the events of NML he could have done it, but given his character it would also, I think, have made sense for his character not to do it.