X-Force #15

[lordultimus]

Comments

[silverhammerman]

I, for one, kind of like Beast's arrival as a real bastard. It's certainly a contrast to his early characterization, which I can understand annoys some people, but it's consistent with the arc Bendis started him on, and puts him in a place distinct from the other original X-Men.

I also like the X-Force resurrection protocols making a return, and it's interesting how even in their objections the Five are still talking about monkeying around with Omega Red's very consciousness in order to make him more "amiable".

[chalicother]

but it's consistent with the arc Bendis started him on

That's my issue with it. I can enjoy Bendis, but I hate that when he decides to change characters , no editors try to stop him aka making Hawkeye pro killing, but other appearances him being against it.

Then again, I hated Bendis X-men, with the Time Displaced X-men complaining and endangering the time line and not one person ever really calling them out or given any nuance view of how the adult X-men ended up the way they did.

So anything that Bendis did when it came to Beast characterization, I just can't really agree.

There are other X-men who can be the bastard genius character, we don't need Beast to do this.

[jlbarnett]

I really agree.

being consistent with the worst characterization ever applied to the character is not a good thing

[nyadnar17]

Its an interesting ethical problem. Something that was touched on with the Phoenix Five.

"Is it ethical to psychically remove someone's traumatic memories".

[tcampbell1000]

Yeah, I'm basically into it, too, though I feel like he's such a dumpster fire at this point that we're gonna need a "what have I become" arc from him at some point just for plausibility's sake.

Unpopular opinion: Bendis was not the first writer to morally compromise Hank, nor even the one who compromised him the most before his current state. Whedon had him on the verge of basically selling out mutantkind in his search for a cure to his own mutation. Morrison had him bizarrely claim to be gay, thanks to a prank that got out of hand and the likely end of his love life-- not a major sin the way it worked out, but don't ask Northstar what he thought of it. Bendis' Hank, less selfishly, launched a rather naive and half-baked scheme to shock one of his best friends back to reason, writing off any potential damage to the timestream as "to be fixed with memory implants when the time comes." Hickman's version seems to live only to serve, but he will commit just about any Machiavellian shenanigans as long as he thinks they promote the good of Krakoa.

So I understand why people don't like it, but Hank's (d)evolution makes a lot of sense to me. His was always a lonely path, isolated from most others by his intellect, and bit by bit, he's blazed his own trail into the dark forest.

[gnarll]

I believe he has considerable PTSD from his treatment at the hands of Norman Osborne. That was when he really started down the slippery slope.

But the character does have a history preceding that, of making terrible decisions.

[mastermahan]

I like speculating that Krakoa is secretly evil, but this takes all the fun out of it.

[scorntx]

Krakoa might be secretly evil.
Beast just actually is.

[shakalooloo]

Morality is a human concept. McCoy is now merely becoming more mentally bestial to match his physical appearance.

[lencannon]

Counterpoint: modeling your intelligence agency after the CIA makes you susceptible to banal human evil.

[shadowpsykie]

Goddamnit beast......