Wolverine #13: What We Did In The Shadows

[superboyprime]

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[mazway_75]

...Okay, seriously, when's the reveal he's been Dark Beast all along? Because that's more logical than Hank McCoy talking about "this island is our god."

[sabertoothlotus]

I think he's speaking about the nation of Krakoa as opposed to the sentient being that nation lives on the back of, but it does make me think he needs to be reminded that none of this is possible without Krakoa (the entity) agreeing to let them continue living there. It did kill them all once (twice? I've lost count), and could probably do it again by simply choosing to sink.

[numeronone]

What We Do In The Shadows doesn't deserve association with this rubbish

[shakalooloo]

Um, yes, mind-controlling a country of people IS worse than terra-forming a dead planet.

A more scientific Beast, one that says things like 'oh dear' and 'fascinating' does show up in this month's Excalibur, so maybe this is some defective McCoy-Bot that's just covering while the real Hank is holidaying in Otherworld.

[tinygaylaura]

Yeah I don't know HOW Beast thinks he has a good arguement there

"Tell me, is mind controlling an entire nation and trying to spy on the entire planet worse than terraforming a lifeless world?"

"YES YOU IDIOT

IT IS SO MUCH WORSE

ANYONE WOULD TELL YOU IT IS WORSE"

[deh_tommy]

Didn’t you say the people of Earth don’t get a say in the affairs of their autonomy because of how primitive humanity is on the galactic scale?

[tinygaylaura]

I stated the fact that in canon in the Marvel universe, the people of earth as a whole did not get any say in matters of intergalactic diplomacy or negotiation because the rest of the universe does not remotely care about or like humanity. It's not my fault if the Skrull and the Kree and the space horses don't want to deal with us

Though that has recently started to change as first Wakanda and now Krakoa/Arakko have representatives on the galactic council due to the scale of the achievements of those respective nations at becoming an intergalactic power causing the Galactic Council to take notice.

None of what either nation did to achieve this involved taking away anyone's autonomy however. In fact in both cases it involved people gaining greater autonomy. T'challa led a rebellion and freed countless slaves and Arakko is a new home for millions of mutants who spent centuries trapped in a hellish nightmare dimension

[mastermahan]

*Saves* you from annihilation? You nearly triggered a interspecies war, you stupid bastard. How do think humans would have reacted when they learned Krakoa turned an entire nation into plant zombies, complete with the citizens all trapped inside their own heads? You're lucky Percy rewrote the Terra Verdens in mid-story: from furiously attacking random humans for no reason to the most forgiving, rational people you could imagine.

And you couldn't even bullshit an apology to your victims.

[deh_tommy]

Is that really an interspecies war if you’re the same species? That’d just be a regular war, probably exacerbated by them announcing they’ve laid claim to the entire solar system.

[mastermahan]

Hey, they're the ones insisting they're not human, despite it being obvious nonsense. Do X-Men toys still get a lower tariff rate if Marvel insists they're not human?

[lbd_nytetrayn]

That's been the biggest justification for the whole "we're not human" attitude to me here. Once the company undermined that element of the book to save a few cents, the whole "we're human, too" thing just rang hollow to me. Might as well lean into it.

[laughing_tree]

I love this comment.

[tinygaylaura]

Wolverine at least took the time to have a drink with some of the delegates from Terra Verde and apologise for what Beast did to them.

Though I'm amazed he didn't take Beast out himself given his history with people messing with his head

And yes Beast CAUSED all the problems that occured in this story.

"I'm doing what I must to keep us safe...by nearly getting us all killed"

"Did you get your PHD from a "University" that operated above a barber shop?"

[fra080389]

Blue Lelouch? So he will die at the end of this season.
Or maybe he is Schneizel...

[silverhammerman]

Gotta admit, Beast's defense to Emma Frost makes sense. Xavier set up X-Force and put him in charge, and the Quiet Council has let him do things as he saw fit. You don't set up the mutant CIA if you don't want them to do awful CIA stuff. I mean, he's still in the wrong, but he points out the Council's culpability.

I think what's making me enjoy this is that Beast is just mask-off terrible in a way that the other X-books aren't. It's like the difference between watching say, The Shield and saying "LMAO these cops are awful, I love it" because the show is about bad cops, versus uncomfortably watching Law & Order and saying "Uhhhh, that was definitely police brutality but also no one seems to care?" It's both a difference in terms of scale and presentation which makes Beast spiraling down into crimes against humanity territory fun for me rather than frustrating.

I do wonder how the perhaps inevitable reset of Beast's crimes/personality might play out. There's the "It was Dark Beast all along" option, but they could also do what they did Iron Man after Civil War when his mind was reset to a backup from before he built all the gulags, since Krakoa already has a convenient backup conceit and we haven't seen that kind of drama played with yet. Either way it's gonna be an all-time great copout.

[miramira]

I dunno, I feel like we're supposed to be seeing Beast as unequivocally having taken his mandate too far, and everything else that's going on is supposed to look better by comparison. I'm also starting to wonder if they do plan to rehabilitate him, or if he's just going to keep heading down the path toward villain with occasional flashes of antihero.

[tinygaylaura]

I haven't seen the heroes of any of the other X-books do anything wrong like this and certainly I haven't seen them doing anything that I consider even remotely as bad as what Beast has done here. I've been in support of what the heroes over in books like SWORD, Marauders, New Mutants, Excalibur and X-men have been doing 100%. And even the Hellions, who are meant to be the "Problem Mutants" of Krakoa are still better people than Beast is here because they direct their violence at people who deserve it for the most part.

[shakalooloo]

I just kinda assumed that Hank McCoy was a decent enough person that he would be incapable of the ruthlessness required to run a proper CIA operation. Back when he was a member of the Secret Avengers, his was always the voice arguing against the more extreme methods.

[wizardru]

I remember when Hank was considered a hero. When he occasionally skirted or even went over the line due to stress, overwork or simply not sharing the burden he was carrying, not this realpolitik 'no bridge is too far if the results are to my liking' nonsense. If you told me this was Dark Beast, I would totally assume this was the case, because clearly this Hank has no moral compass any longer, if indeed he ever did.

[zachbeacon]

Putting aside Beast's ongoing character assassination ...

How stupid do you have to be to attack a party when its public knowledge the place is full of telepaths?

Actually, how stupid do you have to be to ATTEND a party when its public knowledge the place is full of telepaths?

Seems like a good way to give up your secrets to a rival nation.